Zarbon & Dodoria BPs

[Fantastische Hure]

How high is their blood-pressure?

I'd say:

Zarbon - 21,000
Dodoria - 20,000

And I know about Zarbon not saying he was surpassed until Vegeta hit 24,000 but I'll just overlook it or Zarbon waited until he had the number confirmed by Dodoria.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

The Daizenshuu levels of 22k and 23k make sense with what statements we're given. Neither Dodoria or Zarbon treat Vegeta as above them until reading his power at 24k, even after having noted it as being at 22k.

If you care about battle power "logic" so much as to care too much about such a small matter as a gap, then you could always chalk up their poor performance against Vegeta as a decrease in their Shoki or Yuuki, as well as their poor skill in combat compared to Prince Veggie.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The Daizenshuu levels of 22k and 23k make sense with what statements we're given. Neither Dodoria or Zarbon treat Vegeta as above them until reading his power at 24k, even after having noted it as being at 22k.

If you care about battle power "logic" so much as to care too much about such a small matter as a gap, then you could always chalk up their poor performance against Vegeta as a decrease in their Shoki or Yuuki, as well as their poor skill in combat compared to Prince Veggie.

It's not as much that I care that much about the levels themselves as much as it is just wanting some level of consistency.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I wasn't targeting you with the statement, but those that let their battle power lists and interpretation of the "logic" behind them dictate their stance of events in the plot rather than vice-versa (no prize for guessing who the main examples of that are), so don't worry.

 

[GSM123]

We have official BPs for both. 22k and 23k. Goes in hand with them only being surpassed by 24k Vegeta and Kuririn not being able to tell the difference between Zarbon and Vegeta.

If you care about battle power "logic" so much as to care too much about such a small matter as a gap, then you could always chalk up their poor performance against Vegeta as a decrease in their Shoki or Yuuki, as well as their poor skill in combat compared to Prince Veggie.

No, arbitrary number gaps are everything. Things like skill and shouki loss are pure headcanon

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He also says he hopes Vegeta & Zarbon "cream" each-other which I guess is another hint that they are close, since if it was a stomp he'd say otherwise. The fight clearly seemed to be in Vegeta's favour though to me.

Maybe like CC said Zarbon just wasn't in the right mind-set to be fighting at his best.

 

[GSM123]

I'd go with CC's explanation. Zarbon didn't seem like he had a Shouki or Yuuki Loss for me since. Skill seems like a good reason. It was strongly hinted Goku was stronger than Popo when they met yet Popo shat on Goku.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He also says he hopes Vegeta & Zarbon "cream" each-other which I guess is another hint that they are close, since if it was a stomp he'd say otherwise.

Nah, obviously when Kuririn said he hoped they creamed each other, he was giving a low-key admittance of his love for yaoi.

It was strongly hinted Goku was stronger than Popo when they met yet Popo shat on Goku.

Popo outright referred to Goku as weak though and blocked plenty of Goku's attacks with ease when he stopped dodging, so I doubt that.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Zarbon'd fit right into a yaoi.

 

[GSM123]

Popo outright referred to Goku as weak though and blocked plenty of Goku's attacks with ease when he stopped dodging, so I doubt that.

He also admits Goku is strong but doesn't use his power properly at one point, though. By his teaching as he beats Goku up it seems like there's more than power involved here. He even outright says Goku can't beat him with just power.

Chapter: 164, P2.1
Context: said to Goku
Popo: “You beat Piccolo, so you thought you were the strongest in the world. You forgot that there’s always a bigger fish. You can’t win against Mister Popo with just power.”

Zarbon'd fit right into a yaoi.

You should google it to be sure.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He also admits Goku is strong but doesn't use his power properly at one point, though. By his teaching as he beats Goku up it seems like there's more than power involved here. He even outright says Goku can't beat him with just power.

Chapter: 164, P2.1
Context: said to Goku
Popo: “You beat Piccolo, so you thought you were the strongest in the world. You forgot that there’s always a bigger fish. You can’t win against Mister Popo with just power.”

It'd still be quite a stretch to assume that Goku lacked enough control as to decrease the physical impact of his punches though, plus the former part of that statement shows power played at least some role, with Popo saying that Goku "thought" he was the strongest and that there's always a bigger fish would be quite redundant if Popo only surpassed Goku in skill and had yet to bring up Kami's power.

 

[GSM123]

It'd still be quite a stretch to assume that Goku lacked enough control as to decrease the physical impact of his punches though, plus the former part of that statement shows power played at least some role, with Popo saying that Goku "thought" he was the strongest and that there's always a bigger fish would be quite redundant if Popo only surpassed Goku in skill and had yet to bring up Kami's power.

Nah I only think Goku surpassed Popo when he had the Oozaru aura behind him, and Popo dodged Goku's hit when he did that.

Yeah, there's that as well. Goku even calls Popo "strong" several times. I'd chalk it up to the compliment not being Ki size related, since Dabra was considered "way stronger" than Goku's expectations merely because he showed magic powers.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Both Dodoria and Zarbon haven't had a fight that can give them a challenge for a long time until Vegeta did. So both of them became so rusty also lacked of sensing skills gave Vegeta a huge advantage despite what the scouters said.

 

[Tapion]

I wasn't targeting you with the statement, but those that let their battle power lists and interpretation of the "logic" behind them dictate their stance of events in the plot rather than vice-versa (no prize for guessing who the main examples of that are), so don't worry.

Ahill and Fag123.

Where is my prize?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Ahill and Fag123.

Where is my prize?

Replace Ahill with :withheld and you win...a thank.

 

[Tapion]

Eh, good enough.

 

[GSM123]

Ahill and Fag123.

Where is my prize?

Ahill's a bro tho

Replace Ahill with :withheld and you win...a thank.

Nah :withheld certainly has a theory about that. You might even find a "What if Zarbon and Dodoria lost shouki" power levels list if you dig deep enough.

 

[Victorious]

I feel the Daiz numbers put them too close to Vegeta's initial Namek power. I like

Dodoria : 20,000
Zarbon : 22,000
Monster Zarbon : 28,000

 

[Tapion]

Ahill's a bro tho

Sure, but being a bro doesn't make one less stupid.

And :withheld has a list for literally everything.

 

[p123]

I have these numbers...

Cui 16,000
Dodoria 19,500
Zarbon 21,000
Vegeta 24,000

For these reasons...

Yeah, I have a few nitpicks with that. They aren't extreme, but you know how particular I can be...

1) Cui/Vegeta should not be rivals with Dodoria. The way Dodoria is portrayed, the way he is so dismissive of Vegeta, the way Vegeta exclaims about defeating Dodoria, this is clearly a man who wasn't able to compete with Dodoria. And Dodoria let him know it, often. I just don't think it follows the lore there...

2) I like Dodoria at 80% of Vegeta. The further away the better. 83% isn't bad, but if I had a choice, I'd go with 80%. That was a tremendously emasculating fight. I try to stick with the lore here on that.

3) I also prefer to have Zarbon at 87.5% of Vegeta than 91%. Vegeta is catching his punches, completely running circles around him. This reminds me of KKx2 Goku vs Vegeta. Zarbon can't manage anything...

4) Cui vs Vegeta. I have Cui at 66% of Vegeta. Cui at 75% of Vegeta is insane imo. Vegeta takes him out too easily. Cui is supposed to be a good fight for Vegeta on equal levels, so I can't just go with Vegeta being insanely more durable/tough than Cui. I think Vegeta is just that much stronger than Cui that he can make mince meat of his former power. I think Vegeta could do something similar to his previous self.


So for me, I prefer to stick with the lore over the numbers.

I think guidebook followers are hypocritical. They want to dismiss 4k Nappa, but then love to use 22/23k Dodoria/Zarbon because they are "good enough". For me, they are not good enough. I think power gaps should have consistency. Vegeta pulls off some amazing feats against Zarbon and Dodoria that are not skill based and are speed/power based. Vegeta is physically restraining Dodoria's hands behind his back and Vegeta is literally catching Zarbon's punches...

I think it's a joke that this forum, which is supposed to be full of people who think for themselves and are not slaves to the guidebooks like the rest of the fandom is, has been subjugated to start following the beat of the old drummer. I think CC has a lot to do with that. When one of the best falls victim to the dark side, he brings many with him.

The purpose of these forums that have been created by our people was to remain vigilant and free to use our own minds and our own logical ideas to come up with answers to these questions.

Now I go off and get ridiculous with my ideas stating that they go above the author and all of that, but try to take an ounce of humor with what ridiculous proclamations. I don't seriously believe that my numbers are somehow canon, only that my ideas and logic are more consistently inline with the actual lore of the story. That is nothing to mock and I think it's a travesty that you guys try to make a joke out of the guy behind so many great, logical theories that all of you have piggy backed off of. This forum and the old Shindens most likely don't exist if not without me, most of these theories that are so common place nowadays most likely don't exist without me. I've been doing this for 10 years man, try to have a little respect. But it is what it is. This community knows nothing how to appreciate it's contributing members, only how to bring others down. No one hear will ever admit they like someone's numbers because that would be weird to them, because it's not theirs. I've been apart of many communities and I've found this one to be the most toxic personally. A bunch of incels who can't get any respect in the real world so they won't give any respect to anyone in the online world.