Zarbon & Dodoria BPs

[SSJ2]

Dodoria: 19,500
Zarbon: 20,500

 

[GSM123]

Dodoria: 2,000
Zarbon: 23,000

 

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How about both of them being at 22.5k? This explains why they didn't treat 22k as superior and there is some visible gap between 22.5k-24k to explain why Vegeta could beat them easily if he was a better fighter. Mind that his victory against Dodoria was one of the very few 'skill' victories in the series.

 

[p123]

They didn't view it as real. That scene is totally not concrete, but people love to pretend it is because their precious guidebooks have spoken. It's a joke.

They don't consider 22k any more real than Raditz considers Gohan's 710 real. This is like arguing that Gohan's 710 is not > Goku and Piccolo because Raditz didn't say so until 1,307.

It's a silly argument imo.

There was 0 skill with Dodoria vs Vegeta though. It was Vegeta being way too quick for Dodoria and Vegeta being way too strong for Dodoria. Where was all this skill? It's nonsense! Same for the Zarbon fight. People pulling crap out of their ass to make bullshit guidebook numbers work. Might as well be arguing that Nappa is 4k.

 

[SSJ2]

Vegeta dominated both of them. Skill wasn’t necessary.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Having a sensing ability probably helped as well.

 

[p123]

Eh, I don't know. The only time we really see sensing as a big, game changing deal is Popo vs Goku. Other times, it's not so big of a deal man.

What we are shown is that Zarbon and Dodoria fear Vegeta's battle power. They don't fear his skill. This is what people miss when they follow the guidebooks too strongly. They actually go against the lore. The lore is being destroyed by following those guidebook numbers.

They think Cui can beat Vegeta. Cui is supposed to be on par with Vegeta. They don't think Vegeta is some magical skill God lol. Who even comes up with this crap bro? Fucking Kanzenshuu morons.

Vegeta destroys Cui because he's too strong. Cui fears his strength and speed. Nothing he does is skillful.

Dodoria fears Vegeta's power. Vegeta's speed is too much for Dodoria.

Same goes for Zarbon...

Seriously guys, this shit ain't rocket science. There's nothing implied here that some magical skill God is involved or some magical loss of ki power that's never ever fucking stated at all. Lol. It's a joke. It's always crazy when the person who is the joke acts like the logical person is the joke. It's mind bending. You can bring your ass to Kanzenshuu with that magical skill God Vegeta or Magical Super Durability Super Experienced 4k Nappa brah. This was never intended to be a forum for that kind of bullshit thinking.

 

[SSJ2]

Ki sensing was not a factor in either fights. Vegeta superior speed and overwhelming power was what gave him such a massive advantage over both. He had enough power to easily deflect Zarbon’s full power blast. He had enough speed to completelyspeed blitz both of them to get behind them.. Even if Zarbon/Dodoria could sense him, they’d be far too slow to react and the same sequences would occur.

Hell, even Goku hardly gained an advantage over Freeza with ki sensing. The only time I can think of was when he used the double Kamehameha under water to trick Freeza. A surprise attack to catch him off guard. There were no surprise attacks against Zarbon and Dodoria. It was pure dominance.

 

[p123]

Jesus Christ, thank you! Someone gets it!

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I'd thank all of the posts but that tone...

 

[SSJ2]

What numbers do you have SHc.

 

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There was 0 skill with Dodoria vs Vegeta though. It was Vegeta being way too quick for Dodoria and Vegeta being way too strong for Dodoria. Where was all this skill? It's nonsense! Same for the Zarbon fight. People pulling crap out of their ass to make bullshit guidebook numbers work. Might as well be arguing that Nappa is 4k.

There was skill. Dodoria got mad and brainlessly attacked with a straightforward blast that Vegeta could easily dodge, then Vegeta locked her arms with a martial arts move.
Zarbon's blast was an uncharged one and Vegeta exerted effort to deflect it. Many times in the fight, Zarbon reacted to his moves and Vegeta started speedblitzing him only when he lost his cool.

 

[SSJ2]

Zarbon wasn’t even able to land a hit on Vegeta. Even in the couple of instances where he was “keeping up” with Vegeta, his attacks were easily dealt with. Vegeta even had the chance to chirp him in the middle of the fight, saying it looked like he was standing still. What did Zarbon do that would put himself that close to Vegeta? There’s nothing.

 

[p123]

You have to read the context. The context is, is Vegeta's scouter reading accurate? Dodoria pretends like it wasn't and acts like he can eliminate Vegeta quickly. Vegeta is seeing how far he will go on with this ruse. Dodoria loses his cool and goes to attack him, Vegeta easily avoids the blast and goes on to taunt Dodoria saying, "Oh was the scouter reading wrong then?"

You guys are fucking acting like 18k Vegeta would be able to do shit. Fuck outta here.

The whole fucking conversation between Dodoria and Vegeta is about fucking strength man. You guys are pulling out your fan theories out of your ass to make the guidebooks somehow make sense. It's bullshit hypocritical nonsense.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I ideally said 20k & 21k. Might not be the best but it fits close enough in my opinion.

 

[GSM123]

Ki sensing was not a factor in either fights. Vegeta superior speed and overwhelming power was what gave him such a massive advantage over both. He had enough power to easily deflect Zarbon’s full power blast. He had enough speed to completelyspeed blitz both of them to get behind them.. Even if Zarbon/Dodoria could sense him, they’d be far too slow to react and the same sequences would occur.

Hell, even Goku hardly gained an advantage over Freeza with ki sensing. The only time I can think of was when he used the double Kamehameha under water to trick Freeza. A surprise attack to catch him off guard. There were no surprise attacks against Zarbon and Dodoria. It was pure dominance.

Chapter: 164, P6.6
Popo: “You try to see things with only your eyes, so you couldn’t see Popo’s movements just now. “

It needs to be skill SSJ2. Kuririn couldn't tell the difference between their Kis and just hoped they'd cream each other.

Now Vegeta vs Dodoria... I'm not sure. Dodoria didn't have the best mindset there, but Vegeta is in awe of his own power when he kills Dodoria. Reminds me of the Trunks vs Freeza thing where he's shown to be stronger while taking on a weakened version.

You have to read the context. The context is, is Vegeta's scouter reading accurate? Dodoria pretends like it wasn't and acts like he can eliminate Vegeta quickly. Vegeta is seeing how far he will go on with this ruse. Dodoria loses his cool and goes to attack him, Vegeta easily avoids the blast and goes on to taunt Dodoria saying, "Oh was the scouter reading wrong then?"

You guys are fucking acting like 18k Vegeta would be able to do shit. Fuck outta here.

The whole fucking conversation between Dodoria and Vegeta is about fucking strength man. You guys are pulling out your fan theories out of your ass to make the guidebooks somehow make sense. It's bullshit hypocritical nonsense.

The context has Dodoria losing it and attacking like a mindless animal. Now, Dodoria being a pussy certainly contributed for Vegeta to one shot him, but if Dodoria were serious it would've been a somewhat different fight. Keep in mind Zarbon + Dodoria can take Vegeta down, according to Freeza.

Their conversation is all about strength? You sure?

Chapter: 257 (DBZ 63), P4.2
Context: talking about sensing ki
Vegeta: “It was simple once I got the gist of it. But it’s no use if you’re focused only on power, like you guys or Freeza…”

 

[p123]

Piccolo can't tell the difference between Majin Vegeta and Kid Gohan's level.

This is very similar to Krillen not being able to tell the difference between Zarbon and Vegeta.

Popo's little chat doesn't apply to the real world. The only difference between Tien and Weighted Goku was that Goku wasn't wasting his movements so he had better stamina. Tien fought evenly.

No, the context is Dodoria is scared of Vegeta's POWER. Vegeta taunts him about his POWER. Dodoria succumbs to Vegeta's POWER. That's the context man.

When talking about sensing ki, that's different. Dodoria isn't afraid of Vegeta sensing his ki. He's afraid of his POWER. Once again. Yeesh.

 

[SSJ2]

I ideally said 20k & 21k. Might not be the best but it fits close enough in my opinion.

That’s decent imo. That’s about the smallest gaps I could use for it tbh. Having the “one shot” range be at 1.2x just seems a bit tight for me.

 

[p123]

One shot generally refers to one punch.

Killing someone with a ki blast is far different, especially when Vegeta has solid ki amplification.

Vegeta is using his full effort to hold back Dodoria and is straining big time with his ki blast.

Dodoria is just in fact, so much weaker than Vegeta here that Vegeta can do him like this.

 

[SSJ2]

That’s why I put it in quotations. It’s a lower tier one shot imo. It’s a big enough gap where you can vaporize someone with a regular ki blast. I don’t think that attack would have much amp tbh. His Gyarikku Ho was a named attack and wasn’t all that impressive amp-wise. Since he only recently learned ki control, I don’t see that attack being more than 25k.