Ki blast amp discusssion thread

[Papasmurf]

Gohan and Kuririn are pansies!

 

[Power Level Guy]

@Papasmurf

Freeza’s Ki reads 530k despite his active power being lower

@Kyo

Yeah, Freeza was flexing his muscles in 1st form.

 

[Papasmurf]

@Papasmurf

Freeza’s Ki reads 530k despite his active power being lower

Nobody ever read Freeza's power on a Scouter (the Scouter would break anyway since Vegeta broke it), he just knows his FP in 1st form is 530,000. He even referred to it has his full power in this scene, rather than saying he'd pull his punches:

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He seems to be suppressing his power in 1st form when fighting Nail and in non-combat situations.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Nobody ever read Freeza's power on a Scouter (the Scouter would break anyway since Vegeta broke it), he just knows his FP in 1st form is 530,000. He even referred to it has his full power in this scene, rather than saying he'd pull his punches:

Scouters have read Freeza's battle power though, they had to. How does Freeza know he's 530,000?

He seems to be suppressing his power in 1st form when fighting Nail and in non-combat situations.

Yeah, he's suppressing in the same manner Nappa and Raditz were is what I'm saying.

 

[Papasmurf]

Scouters have read Freeza's battle power though, they had to. How does Freeza know he's 530,000?

Maybe it's a bigger one that they have at the ship, like in that filler where they read 100% 4th form Freeza and SSJ Goku. We know portable Scouters never read his power since Vegeta was slightly weaker when he broke Freeza's Scouter. That's why I think Freeza was already suppressing himself in his 1st form, otherwise every Scouter would pick up on his power and break.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Maybe it's a bigger one that they have at the ship, like in that filler where they read 100% 4th form Freeza and SSJ Goku. We know portable Scouters never read his power since Vegeta was slightly weaker when he broke Freeza's Scouter. That's why I think Freeza was already suppressing himself in his 1st form, otherwise every Scouter would pick up on his power and break.

I'm sure everyone in Freeza's army knows his power level though.

Let me try to put it another way. Vegeta knows Nappa's power level is 8,000, right? Yet, Nappa decides to fight the Z-team at 3,000 power level. When Nappa powers up to 8,000 later, Vegeta does not think that Nappa altered his battle power, he thinks he just merely surfaced his ki.

I think I can insert Freeza in there exactly the same way. Everyone and I mean everyone, in his army, knows Freeza's exact power level. It's the talk of the town. No doubt it is.

 

[Papasmurf]

Was it ever stated everybody in his army knew his PL? He seems to keep a lot of secrets from his henchmen judging by Zarbon being the only one to know he can transform.

And how do you explain Scouters not breaking every time Freeza gets near someone using a Scouter? Scouters don't seem to be able to pick up on when you're not flexing your actual power.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Was it ever stated everybody in his army knew his PL? He seems to keep a lot of secrets from his henchmen judging by Zarbon being the only one to know he can transform.

Transforming is a secret. His power level no doubt is not. I mean, it's not like Freeza created the scouter that measured him. Or that there were no witnesses. Or that he would keep it secret considering there's no evidence for that. If a few people know Freeza's power level is 530k, that means everyone knows. It would be water cooler talk for ages. Every day someone is mentioning what a beast Freeza is.

And how do you explain Scouters not breaking every time Freeza gets near someone using a Scouter? Scouters don't seem to be able to pick up on when you're not flexing your actual power.

That's a great question. We never see a scouter pick up on Freeza. But do we see a scouter on any of Freeza's people? It might be set not to read the army or whatever.

Vegeta scouted them and knew Freeza was there did he not?

 

[GSM123]

I remember some game had the scouter’s PL function and the location function as different settings.

 

[Papasmurf]

Transforming is a secret. His power level no doubt is not. I mean, it's not like Freeza created the scouter that measured him. Or that there were no witnesses. Or that he would keep it secret considering there's no evidence for that. If a few people know Freeza's power level is 530k, that means everyone knows. It would be water cooler talk for ages. Every day someone is mentioning what a beast Freeza is.

So it's just speculation.

That's a great question. We never see a scouter pick up on Freeza. But do we see a scouter on any of Freeza's people? It might be set not to read the army or whatever.

Vegeta scouted them and knew Freeza was there did he not?

Ginyu seemed to be able to locate Freeza's location through his Scouter when he arrived at the spaceship twice. Considering Freeza's last subordinates were already dead in the manga (Appule and Zarbon), they had to have read Freeza's BP.

 

[Power Level Guy]

So it's just speculation.

I'd say deductive reasoning.

1. Freeza knows his exact power level. This isn't possible without a scouter.
2. Freeza doesn't create scouters.
3. Freeza doesn't act like his power level is a secret or should be kept secret, he seems to be pretty boastful about it actually.

Conclusion, if some people know about it, and it's the strongest power level they ever heard of in the universe, and Freeza isn't threatening anyone or keeping it secret, why wouldn't they all know about it?

How does Vegeta know that KK Goku isn't enough to beat Freeza. How can Vegeta know such a thing?

Ginyu seemed to be able to locate Freeza's location through his Scouter when he arrived at the spaceship twice. Considering Freeza's last subordinates were already dead in the manga (Appule and Zarbon), they had to have read Freeza's BP.

So perhaps they can read his power level then so long as someone isn't powering up so quickly. What pops the scouter seems to be the speed of the power up.

 

[Papasmurf]

I'd say deductive reasoning.

1. Freeza knows his exact power level. This isn't possible without a scouter.
2. Freeza doesn't create scouters.
3. Freeza doesn't act like his power level is a secret or should be kept secret, he seems to be pretty boastful about it actually.

Conclusion, if some people know about it, and it's the strongest power level they ever heard of in the universe, and Freeza isn't threatening anyone or keeping it secret, why wouldn't they all know about it?

How does Vegeta know that KK Goku isn't enough to beat Freeza. How can Vegeta know such a thing?

Vegeta knows Freeza's power is in another league just from sensing it and knows he can further transform.

So perhaps they can read his power level then so long as someone isn't powering up so quickly. What pops the scouter seems to be the speed of the power up.

Or Freeza was just suppressing and isn't going around walking around in FP all the time. We know any power below 480K-500K or so can't break the newer model Scouters since Goku activating Kaio-ken to rapidly increase his power didn't so much as dent the Scouter, and both Raditz's (Bulma's) and Zarbon's Scouters broke at relatively the same threshold.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Vegeta knows Freeza's power is in another league just from sensing it and knows he can further transform.

How come Vegeta can tell, but Goku can't?

 

[Papasmurf]

How come Vegeta can tell, but Goku can't?

Freeza's not going around in FP all the time and Goku is probably factoring in KKx10, which Vegeta isn't aware he can pull off.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Freeza's not going around in FP all the time and Goku is probably factoring in KKx10, which Vegeta isn't aware he can pull off.

When was Freeza at FP during Vegeta's time on Namek?

 

[GSM123]

Freeza seems really happy to talk about how big his power level is tbh.

But does it even matter if people know the specific number or not? Everybody knows that Freeza >>>>>>>> anyone else.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Freeza seems really happy to talk about how big his power level is tbh.

But does it even matter if people know the specific number or not? Everybody knows that Freeza >>>>>>>> anyone else.

It's 100% water cooler talk.

 

[SSJ2]

Freeza is probably blocked from having his power read by the lower level scouters. It should be a simple thing to do considering how technologically advanced they were, otherwise there wouldn't have been a single functional scouter on Namek.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Freeza is probably blocked from having his power read by the lower level scouters. It should be a simple thing to do considering how technologically advanced they were, otherwise there wouldn't have been a single functional scouter on Namek.

Yeah, I think that seems likely.

 

[GSM123]

I remember reading somewhere that scouters break not because of big numbers, but because the number was rising too fast. Doesn’t make a lot of sense though.