I think the Herms translation here says it...I’ve heard the claim but I am not convinced of the argument. I wouldn’t need to see the evidence.
If there’s no specific line I’d say it’s garbage.
I think the Herms translation here says it...I’ve heard the claim but I am not convinced of the argument. I wouldn’t need to see the evidence.
If there’s no specific line I’d say it’s garbage.
"So fast" would indicate an increase in power to me.In the original Japanese manga it said "D-Damn! Even when he's so big, he's still so fast!" indicating he didn't lose speed, but he didn't really gain it either.
If Oozaru Vegeta is faster than KKx5, he's getting a speed boost.Also on that subject, that's the place where Goku mentions a KKx5 wouldn't even work against Oozaru Vegeta
He doesn't say he's even faster now. It's the same comment that Roshi or whoever it was made when they said Piccolo even while big isn't slow."So fast" would indicate an increase in power to me.
He wouldn't need a speed boost since Goku would just poop himself out with the KKx5 strain and Oozaru is physically stronger.If Oozaru Vegeta is faster than KKx5, he's getting a speed boost.
He has to be even faster then he just was though. Or he wouldn't be fast. Vegeta lost a ton of power.He doesn't say he's even faster now. It's the same comment that Roshi or whoever it was made when they said Piccolo even while big isn't slow.
If Goku had a 5 fold advantage in speed, surely he would have said something different.He wouldn't need a speed boost since Goku would just poop himself out with the KKx5 strain and Oozaru is physically stronger.
So KK Goku > Oozaru Vegeta in speed?But then you have Goku managing to dodge Oozaru Vegeta's punch by using a rudimentary Kaio-ken (while out of Ki). It doesn't seem like Oozaru Vegeta is all that fast.
Hmm. Possibly. But damn, for me, for such a big thing, I would need like very direct evidence. Because that completely changes the Oozaru thing.Supposing he is faster, what do you think of him having 18,000 speed as opposed to 50,000 power level? @Power Level Guy
So KKx5 Goku would be untouchable?Goku dodged his punch cleanly but Vegeta was able to perceive his flight path and whack him with his tail. It seems like his reaction speed is good but his overall speed is inhibited by his bulk to a degree.
KKx5 Goku would be over twice as strong as base Vegeta and that much faster too, based on Oozaru Vegeta's speed feats it looks like he wouldn't be nearly as fast as that. But KKx5 wouldn't be able to damage him in the least since Oozaru Vegeta is cleanly above 40K in power, and Goku would probably die from using it at this point.So KKx5 Goku would be untouchable?
Yeah, this is a tough topic.KKx5 Goku would be over twice as strong as base Vegeta and that much faster too, based on Oozaru Vegeta's speed feats it looks like he wouldn't be nearly as fast as that. But KKx5 wouldn't be able to damage him in the least since Oozaru Vegeta is cleanly above 40K in power, and Goku would probably die from using it at this point.
I've seen these guys have him down to 8k or less. It's pretty crazy. I never have been able to get a handle on this kind of stuff. Damaged ratings are really hard.How weak do you have post-power ball Vegeta? I think Goku had a good sense of how fast he'd be since he could recognize straight away that Vegeta's ki fell.
Yeah and Goku appears to be in better condition than less than half Gohan appeared...Yeah Majin Vegeta vs. Goku is a tough one because Goku's damage alone is basically equal to SSJ2 Gohan's entire Ki pool but he was still in SSJ2 form. I guess you could say you can still maintain SSJ2 at 45% of your full power based on Gohan still having it after dropping to less than half his Ki and that SSJ2 Goku is about 2x Gohan or something.