Can the BOZ Tenshinhan-FP Raditz gaps fit into the 250-1,250 range?

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In the original Japanese manga it said "D-Damn! Even when he's so big, he's still so fast!" indicating he didn't lose speed, but he didn't really gain it either.
 

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Also on that subject, that's the place where Goku mentions a KKx5 wouldn't even work against Oozaru Vegeta, but Viz being Viz mistranslated that line for some reason lol. They also removed the 10x Oozaru multiplier by saying "A Saiyan is most powerful in the great ape form... One that still has his tail!" or something to that effect. Viz should get more flak than they currently do because they take a lot of liberty with the lines, just not as much as the old Funi Z dub.
 

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In the original Japanese manga it said "D-Damn! Even when he's so big, he's still so fast!" indicating he didn't lose speed, but he didn't really gain it either.
"So fast" would indicate an increase in power to me.

Also on that subject, that's the place where Goku mentions a KKx5 wouldn't even work against Oozaru Vegeta
If Oozaru Vegeta is faster than KKx5, he's getting a speed boost.
 

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"So fast" would indicate an increase in power to me.
He doesn't say he's even faster now. It's the same comment that Roshi or whoever it was made when they said Piccolo even while big isn't slow.
If Oozaru Vegeta is faster than KKx5, he's getting a speed boost.
He wouldn't need a speed boost since Goku would just poop himself out with the KKx5 strain and Oozaru is physically stronger.
 

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He doesn't say he's even faster now. It's the same comment that Roshi or whoever it was made when they said Piccolo even while big isn't slow.
He has to be even faster then he just was though. Or he wouldn't be fast. Vegeta lost a ton of power.

Vegeta is piss weak by this point. You think an 8,000 speed is impressing Goku my guy?

He wouldn't need a speed boost since Goku would just poop himself out with the KKx5 strain and Oozaru is physically stronger.
If Goku had a 5 fold advantage in speed, surely he would have said something different.
 

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But then you have Goku managing to dodge Oozaru Vegeta's punch by using a rudimentary Kaio-ken (while out of Ki). It doesn't seem like Oozaru Vegeta is all that fast.

Supposing he is faster, what do you think of him having 18,000 speed as opposed to 50,000 power level? @Power Level Guy
 

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But then you have Goku managing to dodge Oozaru Vegeta's punch by using a rudimentary Kaio-ken (while out of Ki). It doesn't seem like Oozaru Vegeta is all that fast.
So KK Goku > Oozaru Vegeta in speed?

Supposing he is faster, what do you think of him having 18,000 speed as opposed to 50,000 power level? @Power Level Guy
Hmm. Possibly. But damn, for me, for such a big thing, I would need like very direct evidence. Because that completely changes the Oozaru thing.

But put it this way, the idea it provides ZERO speed boost is definitely wrong imo.

Because Piccolo would be able to fly circles around Oozaru Gohan I'd say.
 

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As for the 18,000 speed, maybe that's wrong since it'd be on par with a healthy Vegeta and Vegeta even prior to firing the Galick-ho took a lot of damage from KKx3 Goku. Maybe big monkey Vegeta is at 15K in speed.
 

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Goku dodged his punch cleanly but Vegeta was able to perceive his flight path and whack him with his tail. It seems like his reaction speed is good but his overall speed is inhibited by his bulk to a degree.
So KKx5 Goku would be untouchable?
 

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So KKx5 Goku would be untouchable?
KKx5 Goku would be over twice as strong as base Vegeta and that much faster too, based on Oozaru Vegeta's speed feats it looks like he wouldn't be nearly as fast as that. But KKx5 wouldn't be able to damage him in the least since Oozaru Vegeta is cleanly above 40K in power, and Goku would probably die from using it at this point.
 

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KKx5 Goku would be over twice as strong as base Vegeta and that much faster too, based on Oozaru Vegeta's speed feats it looks like he wouldn't be nearly as fast as that. But KKx5 wouldn't be able to damage him in the least since Oozaru Vegeta is cleanly above 40K in power, and Goku would probably die from using it at this point.
Yeah, this is a tough topic.

Oozarus generally have no speed feats. They are just so powerful and flip out, we never see them display unreal speed.

But I think I've raised the idea that at least some speed boost is occurring it appears.

Perhaps 2x speed?
 

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How weak do you have post-power ball Vegeta? I think Goku had a good sense of how fast he'd be since he could recognize straight away that Vegeta's ki fell.
 

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How weak do you have post-power ball Vegeta? I think Goku had a good sense of how fast he'd be since he could recognize straight away that Vegeta's ki fell.
I've seen these guys have him down to 8k or less. It's pretty crazy. I never have been able to get a handle on this kind of stuff. Damaged ratings are really hard.

I'd say Cell vs Goku, Piccolo Jr vs Goku, Vegeta vs Z-Team, and Majin Vegeta vs Goku have some very interesting damaged levels to consider.
 

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Yeah Majin Vegeta vs. Goku is a tough one because Goku's damage alone is basically equal to SSJ2 Gohan's entire Ki pool but he was still in SSJ2 form. I guess you could say you can still maintain SSJ2 at 45% of your full power based on Gohan still having it after dropping to less than half his Ki and that SSJ2 Goku is about 2x Gohan or something.
 

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Yeah Majin Vegeta vs. Goku is a tough one because Goku's damage alone is basically equal to SSJ2 Gohan's entire Ki pool but he was still in SSJ2 form. I guess you could say you can still maintain SSJ2 at 45% of your full power based on Gohan still having it after dropping to less than half his Ki and that SSJ2 Goku is about 2x Gohan or something.
Yeah and Goku appears to be in better condition than less than half Gohan appeared...

That could be the recipe for the rage boost as well... The rage boost could be quite large...


SSJ2 Goku 200
SSJ2 Kid Gohan 180
SSJ2 Damaged Goku 120
SSJ2 Teen Gohan 80

Tell me that isn't possible?
 

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What do you have as SSJ2's normal multiplier without the rage? Because I feel like SSJ2 Gohan still gets enough respect that he should be above SSJ adults.
 

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