Dragon Ball Manga Power Scaling Bible

[Dagon]

Dragon Ball Manga Power Scaling Bible

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[Cell-Max]

Grade 3 Super Saiyan is way, way too strong. I personally just give Grade 2 a multiplier (for example 1.4x).

 

[Dagon]

Grade 3 Super Saiyan is way, way too strong. I personally just give Grade 2 a multiplier (for example 1.4x).

Lowering it would more so just raise base Saiyans though.

 

[Cell-Max]

Lowering it would more so just raise base Saiyans though.

Then raise their bases and disregard the quote about Goku from Beerus in Battle of Gods if that's what this is about.

 

[Animelover5487]

Even disregarding the Freeza > Base Saiyans quote they still shouldn't be multiple times stronger than 18 due to the Mighty Mask fight.

 

[Dagon]

Even disregarding the Freeza > Base Saiyans quote they still shouldn't be multiple times stronger than 18 due to the Mighty Mask fight.

The solution in this list is 18 got stronger.

 

[Cell-Max]

Even disregarding the Freeza > Base Saiyans quote they still shouldn't be multiple times stronger than 18 due to the Mighty Mask fight.

The Mighty Mask fight just proves that Goten and Trunks are below Android 18 in base. It doesn't prove Gohan, Vegeta and Goku aren't.

Before you argue it, no. Goten isn't close to Gohan in power. He was just surprised by how strong he was at his young age.

 

[Dagon]

The Mighty Mask fight just proves that Goten and Trunks are below Android 18 in base. It doesn't prove Gohan, Vegeta and Goku aren't.

Before you argue it, no. Goten isn't close to Gohan in power. He was just surprised by how strong he was at his young age.

The suit restricted them, so them being on the backfoot doesn't mean they were weaker than 18.

 

[Cell-Max]

The suit restricted them, so them being on the backfoot doesn't mean they were weaker than 18.

She still held her own against two Super Saiyans. It goes both ways.

 

[Dagon]

She still held her own against two Super Saiyans. It goes both ways.

This is a manga scale. 18 never fought the SSJ kids in the manga. She just cut their costume to eliminate them and they flew away.

 

[Cell-Max]

This is a manga scale. 18 never fought the SSJ kids in the manga. She just cut their costume to eliminate them and they flew away.

Trunks and Goten being able to beat her in base proves my point. I have her far above Frieza on Namek.

It's been years since I read the Buu Saga manga.

 

[Dagon]

Trunks and Goten being able to beat her in base proves my point. I have her far above Frieza on Namek.

It's been years since I read the Buu Saga manga.

Did you make a typo? Before you said they should be below 18 in base and now you say they can beat her in base.

 

[Cell-Max]

Did you make a typo? Before you said they should be below 18 in base and now you say they can beat her in base.

No. Even if they're above her in base it still proves my point.

If Goten and Trunks are below her Gohan, Vegeta and Goku aren't.

 

[Dagon]

No. Even if they're above her in base it still proves my point.

If Goten and Trunks are below her Gohan, Vegeta and Goku aren't.

What is your point though?

 

[Cell-Max]

What is your point though?

That it's easier to raise their bases to compensate for the reduced power of the SSJ Grade 3 transformation as I've already pointed out that it's an alarming increase in strength.

 

[Dagon]

New scaling bible document added to the original post.

That it's easier to raise their bases to compensate for the reduced power of the SSJ Grade 3 transformation as I've already pointed out that it's an alarming increase in strength.

But why do that though?

 

[Cell-Max]

But why do that though?

Having Grade 3 300x base is excessive.

 

[Dagon]

Having Grade 3 300x base is excessive.

But does it create some kind of logic problem? As in it causes a scenario that breaks canon?

 

[Cell-Max]

But does it create some kind of logic problem? As in it causes a scenario that breaks canon?

It's inconsistent with the other SSJ Grade transformations.

I also think Perfect Cell was more suppressed during his fight with Trunks than he was even initially against Goku.

 

[Dagon]

It's inconsistent with the other SSJ Grade transformations.

I also think Perfect Cell was more suppressed during his fight with Trunks than he was even initially against Goku.

Meaning what?