SSJ Trunks gap over Mecha Freeza
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That’s 24k Vegeta vs Monster Zarbon. I can see the fight going like that if Trunks played around a bit.
Also Vegeta vs Dodoria, but Dodoria was being a pussy so it doesn’t count. What’s other 1.2x gaps we know of?
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Vegeta vs Dodoria should absolutely count. Do you really think that if Dodoria was delusional and arrogant about his odds that the fight would have looked any differently?
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Doduria stopped being a pussy when he tried attacking Vegeeta, so no.
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I keep it as ~ 1.3x more or less. I generally go by what's the enough needed to perform q feat like that. Since Vegeta killed Cui very easily with a 1.33x gap, which can be like so quickly it'd be "instantly", I think having Mecha Freeza as 160,000,000 and future Trunks as ~ 215,000,000 looks good. Maybe I could push it to Goku vs Ginyus tier domination, making it more like 1.5x, with Future Trunks being ~ 240,000,000.
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Trunks told Freeza to attack him at full force, and gave Freeza enough opportunity to try it. In the anime he gives even more chances for Freeza and halts the Supernova.
In the anime it's clearly a several-fold difference. In the manga you can get away with less, but given Trunks' confidence I'd say at least 1.33-1.5x.
In the anime it's clearly a several-fold difference. In the manga you can get away with less, but given Trunks' confidence I'd say at least 1.33-1.5x.
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Something like this, to me:
SSJ Goku (Namek) : 150,000,000
Mecha Freeza : 155,000,000
SSJ future Trunks : 210,000,000
SSJ Goku : 235,000,000
---- post 3 years
Android #19 : 200,000,000
--- post KMHMH : 240,000,000
---- post more chi : 250,000,000
Android #20 : 225,000,000
--- post vegeta's chi : 250,000,000
---- post piccolo's chi : 270,000,000
SSJ sick Goku : 270,000,000
Piccolo : 315,000,000
SSJ Goku (Namek) : 150,000,000
Mecha Freeza : 155,000,000
SSJ future Trunks : 210,000,000
SSJ Goku : 235,000,000
---- post 3 years
Android #19 : 200,000,000
--- post KMHMH : 240,000,000
---- post more chi : 250,000,000
Android #20 : 225,000,000
--- post vegeta's chi : 250,000,000
---- post piccolo's chi : 270,000,000
SSJ sick Goku : 270,000,000
Piccolo : 315,000,000
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What about Tenshinhan and Kami saying Trunks vs Freeza > Piccolo vs 19?
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Where?
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When they bring up Trunks killing Freeza as the benchmark to the androids. Ahill was going over that on Neo and I thought he was going with that now.
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I think the purpose of those quotes is to demonstrate the threat that the new Androids/Cell pose. In terms of threat level to the Z Senshi, Freeza was a far greater threat than Androids 19 and 20. It's not meant to be taken as Freeza being relevant in the here and now, just that it's comparable to when he was relevant.
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Idk tbh... I think there are some things to be explained no matter the position... But I feel the Piccolo >> Freeza has more to it than vice versa, so even though I believe the opposite can be true, I tend to scale as Freeza being utterly irrelevant as a more likely scenario, to me.
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I have him 1.45x stronger
Something like this, to me:
SSJ Goku (Namek) : 325,000,000
Mecha Freeza : 345,000,000
SSJ future Trunks : 500,000,000
SSJ Goku :575,000,000
---- post 3 years
Android #19 : 435,000,000
--- post KMHMH : 660,000,000
Android #20 : 500,000,000
--- post chi: 550,000,000
SSJ sick Goku : 645,000,000
Piccolo : 775,000,000
Something like this, to me:
SSJ Goku (Namek) : 325,000,000
Mecha Freeza : 345,000,000
SSJ future Trunks : 500,000,000
SSJ Goku :575,000,000
---- post 3 years
Android #19 : 435,000,000
--- post KMHMH : 660,000,000
Android #20 : 500,000,000
--- post chi: 550,000,000
SSJ sick Goku : 645,000,000
Piccolo : 775,000,000
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1.5x
Trunks manhandles Freeza within seconds.
Trunks manhandles Freeza within seconds.
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