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So remember, Pui Pui speaks for the entirety of Badibis men in terms of strength. He’s one of the strongest Badibi has. Ok and he’s also able to see the speed at which Pui Pui is moving and should be able to accurately tell how strong he is via speed, right?

I think the author is making a mistake against his own agenda. He doesn’t realize the consequences of some of these numbers. Majority of BoZ numbers need to be thrown out. Good point but I think narrative wins here too and everything carries over into Namek. I think everyone’s ki amp is about...

Shouldn’t this be effort based though? Freeza has a realm of power he can access based on his level of effort. When he initially attacks Goku it seems like he’s barely trying. I’d assume it’s the lowest power for the lowest effort. Anyone who’s every spent more than a minute thinking about the...

Well, Freeza should be using 3 levels against Vegeta I'd assume. Initial Level Increased Speed Full Effort to Kick Back Blast Freeza says he was going to go easy on him. And raise his power slowly when he does start beating Vegeta. Are you assuming he wouldn't go all the way back down? I...

Remember, Vegeta never did anything to make Shin nor Badibi think the Saiyans as a combined group had a chance against Yakon. Estimated Saiyans 100 Pui Pui 150 New Estimated Saiyans 225 Yakon 450 These fit perfectly. Pui Pui should be able to handle all 3 Saiyans, then the Saiyans who can...

I think I got it now. Super Saiyan Goku 200 Piccolo 250 ~ Light Grenade 375 Super Goku 600 Imperfect Cell 750 Super Saiyan Trunks 2,400 Semi Cell 2,500 Super Saiyan Vegeta...

When did he sense Vegeta's ki? Throughout the whole fight? Or just when he does the ki blast?

Why is the KHH so amped and Final Burst Cannon not? Do you really think equal level Goku vs Vegeta won't be an equal clash of ki blasts?

How does he discern Vegeta's power?

Yeah, I mean, the entire narrative around Badibi changes if Pui Pui is piss weak. Remember, no one on that ship is really all that much stronger than Pui Pui other than Yakon and Dabura. Are you telling me that in both the human realm and the demon realm, there is no one significantly strong...

It might be the one. It looked like a superiority of skills, not speed/power. Zarbon vs Vegeta was a superiority of speed first and foremost. Goku vs Freeza looks more skill based and Goku having a slight to moderate advanage. More so because of Goku's skillset, not necessarily speed and power...

Well Raditz should have multiple levels against the Z team as well. Raditz power levels are notoriously overlooked, same with Freeza. Freeza might be hiding his power too, Goku doesn't seem to understand how Vegeta got defeated so easily.

Where is Initial Freeza and Warm up Freeza?

The BoZ numbers don't line up with the original portion of the story. The humans are probably only around King Piccolo level, Kami is at least 10x that and then Goku and Piccolo are probably 5x that. Roshi is also a world beneath them as well. The BoZ numbers have always been the most...

Freeza is closer to Goku then Zarbon is to Vegeta. Freeza is closer to Goku then Goku was to Cell. Punching it might be a better option than catching it. There are many instances. When Freeza charges Goku, there are things happening that couldn't be possible unless they were rivals.

So is this confirmation that Freeza went beyond 50% of his power? And manage something is an admission of inferiority. If they were the same power, then he'd do much more than just manage something. Goku is perhaps a better fighter, but Freeza's speed 100% rivals Goku. There are things...

This seems unlikely since Freeza was so able to easily avoid Goku after he caught his bearings. Remember, 50% Freeza is able to stop a Kamehameha from KKx20 Goku. So sure, the Kaioken Kamehameha is definitely nerfed, but I doubt it has zero amp, or else why not just use any old generic ki blast...

Yeah, I think 1.33x is the correct formula. I also think that 1.33x is the correct formula for Kamehameha. I think Kamehameha and Galick Gun should be equals. Now that Kaioken Kamehameha is definitely nerfed, but the regular Kamehameha should be 1.33x. Which leads me to believe regular...

This wouldn't necessarily be a fair representation of what's going on. The story does not cut to Goku for every increase of power Freeza makes. So to assume that us not getting commentary from Goku means it didn't happen wouldn't be accurate. Goku's statements usually come in the form of a...

Exactly. Kaioshin can see Pui Pui moving at far greater speeds then himself. That's what makes Vegeta so impressive, that Vegeta can easily handle a guy who is way beyond Shin.