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In the anime, Elder Kaioshin says, he will probably be just enough. Herms has it as he will probably be plenty. Did the anime alter the line or is that a legit translation?

After reading the manga, it does seem Gotenks indeed has a step or two above Buu. He's really taking what Buu has to offer and giving it back even better. Is Buu holding back? I dunno. We know he's pissed. Sure, he's mentally weakened, but I dunno. Super Buu is on the losing end of the battle...

TOEI and Toriyama would never ever let the fusion of Goku and Vegeta be chump tier in power. There's absolutely no way Gotenks has anything for a fusion of Goku and Vegeta. They literally came up with the rivals boost out of nowhere to explain the disparity. Vegetto > Gogeta >>> Gotenks

The Post-Rosat boys equal Future Trunks level at the CG. We already got to see what happened to Vegeta and Trunks against Bojack and his crew. It doesn't go well for the boys. They aren't as strong as people think, they are only Cell Jr level after improving hugely.

Super Janemba should be too much for Super Buu and not enough for Buutenks and Buuhan. Anime Kid Buu stomps and Manga Kid Buu gets wrecked.

I think it's just an over the top gag. After Piccolo says "We are doomed" the next page shows Goten giggling. It's just intended to be a gag. I don't think Toriyama is intending to make Goku's Super Saiyan 3 power completely irrelevant yet. I think Base Gotenks is a total hoax, a total gag and...

I used to think so too, but knowing Toriyama, he just means the most simplest of things, such that individuals getting stronger lead to stronger fusions.

Yeah I don’t think that means anything major. Just that stronger fighters make stronger fusions. I don’t think it’s the key to the exponential formula or anything.

Show me how your exponential fusion multiplier works. Pre Rosat Gotenks boost Post Gotenks boost Vegetto boost Show me the exponential boost numerically

That’s an interpretive issue. Gokan could definitely be a lot stronger than Vegetto. The context is clear, Elder Kaioshin isn’t talking about Gokan.

Perhaps Dai Kaioshin did something to make Fat Buu hold back a little

What is the purpose of having a villain much stronger than the canon villain and also require fusion of Goku and Vegeta. The entire point of Super Janemba is to surpass Super Buu.

My bad. But his delusion extends to Gogeta as well. Do you think Super Buu equals Gotenks or nah? but yeah you really think TOEI intends to have Gogeta get one shotted by Gotenks bruh?

He thought Goku and Gohan fusing would not work either

I don’t agree with that. Vegetto shouldn’t be that strong. A rivals boost shouldn’t be able to close the gap between Vegeta and Gohans massive difference. The strongest in the universe is the fusion of two of the top 3 masters. It’s about Buu vs Z fighters fusion Gokan is probably much...

Vegeta says they could only manage something against Dabura. Gohan is thinking his Cg level. Battle Damaged Vegeta >> Majin Buu, Gohan is def better than that Vegeta by a good margin

His power up indicates it’s monstrous. His name is Super Janemba, clearly drawing parallels to Super Buu. Gogeta clearly is drawing parallels to Vegetto. the entire point is for AT to essentially be copying M12. It makes absolutely no sense for Super Janemba not to be stronger than at least...

He does a huge power up when Gogeta occurs. Fat Janemba ~ Fat Buu Super Janemba Initial ~ Super Buu Initial Super Janemba FP ~ Super Buu It makes sense Ssj3 Goku is around Ssj Gotenks Post It all works

How strong do you have Gogeta?

That’s what I think. It’s tens of times not millions of times.