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This gotta be one of your all time top 1 or 2 rebuttals. I want to post this up on a wall somewhere. Let’s see will you come to your senses or will you double down. Are you actually going with that dude on Neo’s argument? So Vegeta is saying Kid Trunks is as strong as Android Saga Trunks. My...

Awesome thanks and the Japanese scans for super please

AT is shown to be quite conservative usually. I just think the best option here is to dismiss the ridiculous claims of child when the story seems to reject it. If you take his claims seriously… Base Gotenks Post > Ssj Gotenks Pre > Ssj3 Goku > Base Gotenks Pre > Ssj2 Goku Super Saiyan is a...

Dragonball Super manga is source material. Even in the Buu Saga, they are shown to only be “pretty good” and Goku is unimpressed. Base Saiyans > Piccolo > Base Boys Post as well

He quit fighting after the CG and hasn’t trained since so no.

Irrelevant. Trunks is weaker than Vegeta, who hasn’t trained since the Cell Games.

Doesn’t this movie take place right after the CG like a few days or a couple weeks at best? Trunks hasn’t surpassed Vegeta, who quit training.

I think Dagon had links to get complete scans for the manga. I want the Japanese scans too where can I get this. PM please.

Why toy with Kaioshin and not the others?

It doesn’t have to be, so long as it’s not outright contradicted, why wouldn’t it count? I mean, you give more weight to supplemental material than you do source material, it doesn’t make sense.

If Goku was stated to be just as good as Majin Vegeta, what would you think that means?

Videl can fend off poachers, the power statement is clear. Your bias is leading you to some wild interpretations. It’s certainly sounder logic than your personal preference for their strength.

Because Super is canon, duh. What in the anime contradicts the manga? It sounds like you feel your interpretation should supersede actual source material. Why is your bias overriding your logic here? Buu has been dormant forever, how is he going to be stronger?

Elder Kaioshon told Goku not to do Metamoran Fusion.

Don’t know but he does, his dialogue implies it. Perhaps 18 has brought it up over the years and he applied the logic to 17.

It could be added to it. The CG suggests Piccolo is nearing Cell Jr level, but he seems to have left himself enough space to do what he did in the Buu Saga. Piccolos role in the Buu Saga was to play jobber to Kaioshin and the Base Saiyans.

Fusion is required to beat him and Base Gogeta probably can’t beat him. Potara is not stronger than Metamoran, just more effective.

How do? Super Gogeta seems beyond Super Janemba on a tremendously different level than Buuhan and Buutenks were versus Super Gotenks. Also, if you are within range to make Super Gogeta superior, you take it obviously. It’s Gogeta after all. Super Gokan can beat Buu, why not Super Gogeta?

You can’t do CG or Buu without accepting things from Super. Never has so many sagas been hinged on so many other sagas. It’s a nightmare. It’s all about getting the Base Saiyans right.

Gotenks whooped Buu. No way is Gogeta getting nerfed by Toriyama, he’s a beast.