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Difference as in, Vegeta being always up there in Goku's level? If so, perhaps... It seems he saw Goku's pursuit of power being purer than his own as something that made Goku more prone to achieve bigger results in his training. Like, Goku's mentality as a martial artist, of seeing the whole...

But as far as the manga goes, there's nothing showing that Vegetto was > hypothetical Gokhan.

Here is the Japanese literal translation : Elder Kai : 超サイヤ人になるなら合体したあとでなったほうがええまそんなことせんでもじゅ~~~~~~~ぶんじゃろ」ポタラのパワーは それほどすごい! Elder Kaioshin: "If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But even without doing that, it will be mooo~~ore than enough. The...

To me working with a hypothetical 2 arms SSJ Gohan and a hypothetical future Vegeta which we have 0 info besides him being killed, as far as the manga goes, it going too much into speculation, for me personally. I'd rather work with the more established basis that is the future Gohan we saw...

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3 Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll...

Recoome vs Vegeta too. That was apparently a 1.33x gap. Recoome was hitting him full force and all, but the battle dragged on a little with Vegeta having some, although useless, resistance moments, but Recoome was having fun and was more in the playing mentality ---- not that he wasn't fighting...

That's all assuming though that Vegeta was a SSJ... That SSJ Vegeta back then was slightly above Namek Goku... There's too much conjecture that doesn't have a solid basis.

But I could go with something like this, too: Mecha Freeza : 160 SSJ future Vegeta : 160 SSJ future Gohan (2 arms) : 175 Future #17 : 200 Future SSJ Gohan (2nd time) : 220 Future SSJ Trunks (age 17): 240 Goku SSJ : 280

Gohan may have been reckless in challenging them the first time. The second one seemed to come more from a rational standpoint, understating how far he grew after training all those years.

I'd agree with the levels, all in all. I'd have some personal preferences, but it's ok to me. I still prefer the Super Boo/Gotenks - 50 / Ultimate Gohan - 75 / Bootenks - 100 Route personally. I'm cozy with a Gotenks = Super Boo = 66% Ultimate Gohan = 75% Bootenks personally. I prefer to...

Idk... It'd be a hard scratcher for me to try scaling a hypothetical future Vegeta because he wasn't shown on screen and was mentioned in a general way with no indications of anything besides him being killed. I guess, like I assume it's the same logic you use, SSJ future Gohan (1 arms) ought to...

But we don't know if Vegeta was a SSJ as far as the mange goes.

Idk tbh... I think there are some things to be explained no matter the position... But I feel the Piccolo >> Freeza has more to it than vice versa, so even though I believe the opposite can be true, I tend to scale as Freeza being utterly irrelevant as a more likely scenario, to me.

Something like this, to me: SSJ Goku (Namek) : 150,000,000 Mecha Freeza : 155,000,000 SSJ future Trunks : 210,000,000 SSJ Goku : 235,000,000 ---- post 3 years Android #19 : 200,000,000 --- post KMHMH : 240,000,000 ---- post more chi : 250,000,000 Android #20 : 225,000,000 --- post vegeta's...

I keep it as ~ 1.3x more or less. I generally go by what's the enough needed to perform q feat like that. Since Vegeta killed Cui very easily with a 1.33x gap, which can be like so quickly it'd be "instantly", I think having Mecha Freeza as 160,000,000 and future Trunks as ~ 215,000,000 looks...

I'd go with soft drinks maybe. Pretty much, nowadays I rarely drink anything other than water and coffee lol

I didn't know that. Idk if I've ever seen one here in Brazil (more like, my State). What kind of drinks do they sell that you can remember of?

Idk what is that

Fair enough, SF. I think we will have to agree to disagree, but I think your overall stance in the debate is more solid and you showed that. I don't agree with everything, but nice debate!