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I honestly think the Beerus is a moving goalpost meme makes the most sense. Nigga openly said there's no limit to his power after all and he taught Vegeta the basics of Ultra Ego after all. He's probably stronger by magnitudes and magnitudes over his ToP self.

Well, Freeza's true form is definitely below MUI Goku (ToP arc) as that was the last power of Goku's that he witnessed, and he went Black to combat all three of his enemies on the planet Cereal. I can't say for certain what his Golden form multiplier would be now as we haven't seen him use it...

Unless it turns out that MUI is now Goku's strongest form and that he can channel emotions through it, not likely.

It was in the Bardock special iirc

V-Jump stated that

V-Jump says he is but I don't trust it until we get confirmation in the manga.

Yeah it can be hard to bridge the two eras sometimes because DBS so frequently defies rules and tendencies established during Z. Regular Ultimate Gohan was even weaker than Orange Piccolo who was being stomped by an armless Cell Max. Since Gohan Beast was clearly displaying an edge over Cell...

I'm not really sure. But it might very well be the case since the Moro arc seems to carry on right after Goku teleports back from Vampa, if we are to try to glean an in-universe explanation for Beerus getting massively stronger.

I agree with the Jiren example because it's thrown right in our faces, but Ki output/bodily strength was always the most important factor otherwise. Mindless monsters like Kid Boo and the Cell Jr.s or Saibamen were still able to compete with those roughly equivalent to their powers such as SSJ3...

Yeah that sounds about right imo. With how badly a newly reattained MUI Goku stomped OG73 Moro only to get stronger throughout the Granolah arc and still get stomped by pre-Zombie Gas, Beerus has to have powered up hugely post ToP. I don't think his power was ever static. He also seemed about...

Moro, since even OG73 Moro seemed above Jiren and Beerus hinted he was above angel Moro, plus he acts like UI Goku and UE Vegeta after 3 years of training still have a ways to go to reach his level.

If supposing Beerus' power doesn't randomly increase with the power of Destruction, Broly would widen the edge and win. If it's Beerus with the Ultra Ego-like retcon he stomps since he'd get stronger the more he's hit.

@SIAD I think Beerus stating his power has no limits was a set up for him being uber powerful and far stronger than he was during the ToP preliminary matches. Toriyama probably regretted having Jiren below MUI and yet noticeably above Belmod and retconned it. @Future Warrior That'd mean Cell...

I'm not talking about proof that Broly can't go SSJ at will, I also read that chapter. I'm talking about proof that Beerus is still at best equal to Broly in power and below Vegetto Blue (Black arc), which clearly isn't the case seeing as GoDs have long since been retconned to at least being...

Proof for that? Plus Broly didn't begin training with Goku and Vegeta until the Super Hero arc so they wouldn't have known if he can't go SSJ at will.

Broly would've been included in the wish, plus in the early Granolah arc they said Whis doesn't know anyone other than Goku who's above Vegeta.

Broly was stated to be about equal or superior to Beerus as well and he's trash compared to Beerus atm even if he were to go FPSSJ

Only during the Black and ToP arcs though. It'd seem Beerus got retconned/powered up hard during Moro and onward

1 hour time limit without shortening PIS for Vegetto. Who wins?

To be sad comic relief for a sad series that's comically bad