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  1. Papasmurf

    When Goku takes off to train Oob...

    Goku wants to shatter his own limits probably. Goku is never one to settle for his old limits.
  2. Papasmurf

    When Goku takes off to train Oob...

    It can't be his max potential. That's like saying Cell's max potential is his FP PC/SPC power levels because he declared himself perfect at the time. If Vegeta started out weaker than Zarbon and still wasn't maxed out by the Boo arc then Cell or Boo maxing out so early makes zero sense.
  3. Papasmurf

    When Goku takes off to train Oob...

    I think if AT were asked who was the strongest pre BoG he would've said Goku, but if Gohan is still Ultimate it should be him going by the OG manga's logic.
  4. Papasmurf

    When Goku takes off to train Oob...

    Shouldn't Oob have more potential than Gohan? Gohan's starting power even while enraged was only 1307 and future Gohan wasn't even Yardrat Goku level after training for over a decade. Oob surpasses that at age 10 by a mile. Even Ultimate Goku might be Super Boo level lol.
  5. Papasmurf

    When Goku takes off to train Oob...

    Going by manga logic do you think Oob can surpass SSJ/SSJ2/SSJ3 Vegetto (Boo saga)?
  6. Papasmurf

    When Goku takes off to train Oob...

    Way farther. Even to Freeza he said he should train and get better if he wanted to challenge him again. I think Goku expects a fully trained Oob to surpass SSJ3 EoZ Gotenks or Ultimate Gohan at least, since he thinks Oob will be his best challenger.
  7. Papasmurf

    Dragon Ball Discussion

    He literally saw Mutaito die. And Daimao was states to utterly outmatch all 3 of them
  8. Papasmurf

    How strong was Grade 2 Goku (Pre Rosat)?

    Really no way to tell. All we know is that Grade 3 >> initial Semi Cell for sure.
  9. Papasmurf

    Recent Chapter Discussion

    I dropped this months ago
  10. Papasmurf

    Vegetto was SSJBE against Demigra?

    He'd probably just have the same aura and eyes as Gogeta tbh I think he was in Legends
  11. Papasmurf

    Vegetto was SSJBE against Demigra?

    Looks like regular SSJB to me. He has PTSD about using beyond blue forms after getting embarrassed against Cumber
  12. Papasmurf

    Gap between Vegeta and Dabra

    Only material written years and years after the end of the manga seems to treat it as a transformation that can be switched on and off, except Z Movie 13 Prior to Super Hero Gohan seemed to be in the altered base state at all times, other than when he lost the fitness level to retain the...
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    Gap between Vegeta and Dabra

    It was stated to permanently alter his personality and Ki signature by Piccolo. I don't think Gohan (prior to DBS anime/Super Hero continuities retconning it) can physically revert to his non-Ultimate base state, only power down to regularly functioning levels like how Goku walks around with a...
  14. Papasmurf

    Gap between Vegeta and Dabra

    In the OG manga it just appeared to be a hyper powerful base form. Gohan didn't revert to his regular state when he was inactive for a whole hour, and his eyes were still fully inscribed and sharp when donating Ki to the genkidama.
  15. Papasmurf

    Why do the DBS transformations never seem to win their debut fight?

    SSJG - lost to Beerus SSJB - needed Whis' help to win, got cucked by a laser beam SSJBKK - Goku surrendered UI Sign/MUI - wore off and Jiren had to be defeated through a team effort. Even needed Oob's help to fully put down Moro UE - got cucked by Granolah and Gas alike SSJBE - got cucked by...
  16. Papasmurf

    Gap between Vegeta and Dabra

    Goku was only suggested to fuse with Gohan via the Potara because Old Kaioshit said Boo wouldn't wait for them to perform the dance.
  17. Papasmurf

    Gap between Vegeta and Dabra

    I don't think AT particularly gives a shit about the part where he said two parties need to be very close in power to try the dance considering he established that Ultimate Gohan can fuse with Goku despite the massive power difference between them. Goku also didn't seem to expect Vegeta to have...
  18. Papasmurf

    Piccolo Jr. saving the child & the mother

    A similar case was when Itachi's voice actor read farther in the manga and saw that Itachi wasn't really evil and began portraying him too softly where the anime was at, when he was still portrayed as a villain
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    USSJ Vegetto (Arc Boo) vs Piccolo No Heavy Clothes (End of the Evil Dragons Arc)?

    Is this Grade 2 Vegetto or Grade 3 Vegetto??

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