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Iroh and Zuko are the only good characters among the good guys. Katara reminds me too much of a Hollywood anti-damsel stereotype who's always bitching about sexism and raising her voice and Toph becoming the strongest Earthbender in the world (or up there) from like a year or less of fighting in...

Dum pakis!

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He had to physically activate Rose after he was already healed, which is why I think the two power ups are separate

Wouldn't his goal be winning the Cell Games and proving his power? He just succeeded in achieving his peak form like Piccolo Daimao gained his peak form by using the DBs to become young again. But they were both defeated a short time later and rendered irrelevant.

Fat Boo has some degree of complexity though.

Let's say that FPSSJ2 Trunks keeps Future Zamasu at bay while the two SSJBs team up on Black. We never saw this fight happen in the manga because Trunks was cucked into staying on the sidelines, so what would happen?

SSJ and SSJB are different things after the latter is unlocked so I think even post-Rose Black can still go SSJ, but since Rose is stronger and there isn't a huge difference in strain and even in power between the forms he keeps using Rose. Kind of like why Trunks stopped using SSJ1 after...

Nah his 2nd Zenkai itself and transforming to SSJR are separate things. Toriyama clearly states that his Rose form is an SSJ form of a slightly different color, accentuating the fact that it is a separate form. It's not like SPC which is just full power PC with a Zenkai (which was never noted to...

He still seemed to be weaker than post Rosat SSJG

No matter how hard he worked I can't buy his Mafuba training giving him equivalent gains to Vegeta's 1 year of training that gave him enough stamina to withstand repeatedly switching in and out of Blue. Goku had more time to train with Merus to obtain UI Sign than Vegeta did on Yardrat due to...

Rosat training I can buy, but how the hell does Mafuba training make you far stronger? Tenshinhan was trash to Drum just like 22nd/post-Tamb Goku and Old Daimao would've killed him in one blast, probably just with 5 hits. Not to mention PSSJB Goku >>> Burst SSJB Vegeta.

They both realize they have shitty character arcs and sudoku to a draw

I don't really think it's true. SSJB bursts were said to not drain Vegeta's Ki at all and Black still took dozens of hits from him without losing consciousness or being unable to stand. PSSJB seems to increase SSJB's power somehow, akin to a low fusion boost like Merged Zamasu's imbalanced fusion

Goku vs. Hit fight and the lack of Tagoma in the RoF omake in the manga tells me base Goku is really fucking strong in the manga and so are the golden forms. You can just credit that to Whis' training rather than absorption of SSJG I just like to think it isn't really stated, but you can infer...

It's bizarre because Vegeta didn't waste extra energy transforming (he was still in Blue) and got a Senzu and still fought at best close to evenly with post-zenkai SSJ Black. Then he goes in the Rosat and doesn't seem to be any stronger form by form than Goku judging by feats (getting KO'd in...

I don't have faith in future installments being good after the trash that was Korra.

Least popular in his home country of Japan too :alex2

Cell is the worst of all Dragon Ball villains.