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Initial Perfect Cell- 90 Super Trunks- 96 Super Vegeta- 100 Warm Up Cell- 200 Initial Ultra Trunks- 192 FP Ultra Trunks- 240 Buff Cell- 270

How about this? At Baba Saga, someone said that if Goku participates in the next tournament (22nd), he has the first place in the bag. There wouldn't be much point in the author putting this comment in if, later, at the 22nd TB, there is a bunch of fighters who can defeat Baba Saga Goku (King...

I think Goku couldn't gauge Fat Buu's power properly. But when his new, athletic body enabled him to fight properly, Goku could now tell he was no match for him.

No gags: Future Eighteen. Gags: Bulma.

Not necessarily a retcon. Goku had said about the same thing about Fat Buu to Piccolo: "Buu's mighty strong. I don't think I could've beaten him."

And you can say Goku was himself's master when he trained alone for 3 years.

SSJ Goku- 100 SSJ Vegeta- 100 SSJ Gohan- 90 Pseudo SSJ2 Gohan- 150 Dabura- 140 SSJ2 Vegeta (pre majin)- 200 SSJ2 Gohan (anger/full power)- 225 SSJ2 Goku- 250 Majin Vegeta- 250

First of all, when Super Buu appeared, while a bunch of people noticed the change in his ki (Piccolo, Gohan, Goku etc.), none of them said anything about a power increase. Which is strange. If AT wanted to notify us about a power increase, why did he wait several pages to do so? Anyway, when...

At the end of the Original Dragon Ball, Roshi says (about Goku), "I only taught him the basics. It was Korin and Kami who took him this far." If his solo training in the wild for 3 years also gave him a multi-fold power boost like the ones he got after training with Korin and Kami, why didn't...

Personally, I think SSJ Gotenks post is a good middle-ground solution, since he's the first Gotenks that actually seemed to stand a chance against Buu.

The title of this thread is creepy.

Maybe SSJ is an additive boost, not a multiplier.

If 22nd TB Goku is as strong as 3 years ago (which makes sense if all he did during the 3 year skip was roaming around the world), it makes sense. And why not? Could anybody sense ki back then? How could they tell whether Goku had grown stronger or not? That also makes the humans' gains more...

Yes.

What do you want to know about that?

When the kids fused in the ROSAT (I think we all agree that Base Gotenks post > SSJ Gotenks pre), after the first attacks, Super Buu seemed bored and said, "You're weak. I'll kill you." We know that Super Buu expected someone stronger than SSJ3 Goku to show up, since that was what Goku had told...

PART 28 The day of the 25th Budokai tournament has arrived. As in canon, Gohan, Krillin, Eighteen, Piccolo and Mr Satan will take part in the adult division. Because of the dire situation (Babidi's expected invasion), Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Seventeen will participate too. Since Videl is...

So, with just 10% an advantage, Vegeta felt so much stronger than Cell as to let him absorb Eighteen? Bullshit.

How's this? SSJ2 Goku- 50 Fat Buu- 90 SSJ3 Goku- 100 Fat Buu (full power)- 210 Good Buu- 90 Gray Buu- 120 Super Buu- 210 Gotenks pre- 60 SSJ Gotenks pre- 90 Gotenks post- 100 SSJ Gotenks post- 150 SSJ3 Gotenks- 225