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Inclined to say assistant Black wins as he could at least withstand a punch from post-Karin Goku while Akkuman (>> 21st Roshi) got knocked out cold in a hit.

What do you think it is?

I think I chose the words wrongly. Should have settled for friends rather than allies.

I kind of think it as cheating too, but now remembering Gohan and Kuririn being powered up by Saichoro, I don't think I can find a point that makes one fair and the other "unfair". I think the fact Goku achieved that power on his own while Vegeta had to resort to a third party for that counts...

That's a very nice post.

That doesn't seem implied. They don't power up the base and that base power up reflects on the SSJ's multiplier. Vegeta trabaformed into a SSJ and Piccolo was like ok show me what you can do, Vegeta. And then Vegeta began powering up on top of the SSJ and Piccolo was like "OMG". They are...

I think that's a good point for Luffy to be closing on Yonko and beating one of them already. OP is already pretty long and the story is already advancing to an end. Beating Kaido now with a new power would be a good timing imo. Specially since the story needs to flesh out characters like Black...

It's somewhat curious that Ten decided not to see the other Z warriors besides Chaozu after the Cell Game and he in fact probably never saw them again. He also parted ways with them for 5 years after the 23rd Budokai. I wonder if he also planned not to see them again after that. Do you guys...

It's possible. I proposed a 75x multiplier here, but I've rolled with a 2.5x multiplier for the SSJs in the Boo arc. So u see how crazy I am lol.

So the SSJs pre RoSaT had a multiplier inferior to 50x and only with the grade states could they access it? @GreatSaiyaman123

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I still don't know who's Luffy's right hand man, Sanji or Zoro.

Well, yeah, but would Goku give up a considerable power increase in favor of better stamina? I could see it being the case with grade 3, but the grade 2 state didn't really seem that impairing. Trunks even used it to get to Cell faster. Also, what do you make of Vegeta's statement? Some take...

I like your answer, this could foreshadow Big Mom's possible betrayal of Kaido. She at least has given some signs of it, like smashing Ulti.

Do you think it does? There's at least some things supporting it: The aura when Goku flares up his full power vs Cell seems different, wilder. Goku doesn't use the grade 2 form against Cell, despite the fact that if he 'could' use it, he'd arguably hold a considerable power advantage...

HxH > OP 'Nuff said

Idk. Luffy vs Don Chinjao did seem to have this kind of animation too. I guess maybe Katakuri's haki was just too strong for Luffy to handle? But yeah, he seems to mention some advanced level of Busoshoku. I just find it strange that Luffy never thought back about this instance with Katakuri...

I think I haven't... otherwise I wouldn't be feeling like shit.

Isn't Luffy vs Doflamingo's clash animated with those black lines too? I think this kind of animation can be misleading sometimes.

Katakuri's really looks like it. But I wonder why Luffy didn't get the tip there. As for Jimbei, I think not.