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Gero is the greatest scientist in the universe. He was making artificial beings greater than Freeza left and right. He created infinite energy models. I'm sure he can do 1+1 lol Gero is at fault, but only for powers that go far beyond what's he capable of reading. He can do basic math bruh

The story implies they are. At what ratio are you suggesting? That Gero receives 10x the power for every 1 power level? 19 and 20 are absorbing just ki, Cell absorbs bio-matter. It makes sense for Cell's absorptions not to be 1:1 in regards to ki.

Sure, but evidence leads to a conclusion. Dr. Gero's implications on how the humans and Piccolo's power would upgrade him make 50x a numerical impossibility. 1. Yamcha is a good source of power. If someone only boosts you up less than half a percent, I doubt they'd say this. 2. Absorbing...

Ginyu experienced it though, I think fighting someone and watching someone fight are different things.

Seems unlikely since he thinks Ginyu and Goku are a good match. I don't think he suspects more power from either of them.

Yeah that was me, I think I'm going back to it.

Gero's implications prove Super Saiyan isn't 50x

I do wonder how strong Vegeta is against Jeice though?

Their initial level is around 65k or so.

Goku is a bit over 60k, Vegeta doesn't know Goku has more.

AT said he thought about it as 10x, so perhaps Goku's Base rose when he got healed on Namek

Yeah

He says the boys can definitely beat Buu.

Yeah, I've been considering that option as well. It might be our best bet.

Perhaps. We have a really tough situation with that.

The 10x boost for Super Saiyan is our only chance to make any of the Buu Saga implications work. The saga was clearly written with the idea that Super Saiyan is a 10x boost in mind, whenever we go against it, things become extremely difficult to deal with. Super Saiyan 3 equals or rivals the...

How much more training? One days worth? What can he expect out of that? He either has the power or he doesn't.

And they do, for Super Buu. Not Fat Buu. Piccolo and Goku both think Gotenks power is good enough to where they don't need the Rosat. Piccolo considers Gotenks power impressive. It's clear that Gotenks is stronger than Fat Buu.

Piccolo tells them not to go into the Rosat though for Fat Buu. Goku tells them they don't need the Rosat.

Training for a day?