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Ic. then maybe he drank the elixir of life when he was old and then hasn't aged since, while Tao Pai Pai drank it while he was that age?

What about the official timeline though?

How old was Kame-Sen'nin during Piccolo Damaio's first resurgence?

Lol Welcome to the forum, obese ahill. Make sure you smoke a lot as well. Btw, I'm 84kg rn. I've lost 4kg since December past year :troll

That's true.

He said that the division numbers does not indicate strength, but I'd be hard pressed to place Ace as the top strongest commanders considering how fleshed out he was within the Whitebeard's pirates, alongside Jozu, Vista and Marco. We've got nothing there showing he is one of the least relevant...

Ace's division has a meaning. He's the 2nd division commander. That's the standard argument. You've to show anything that solidily establishes that Ace is there just to fill the role or because WB believes in his potential. Until then, the standard argument and conclusion is that his strength...

It's not disproved at all. Again, I'm not arguing that the spot Ace occupies means he's necessarily the 2nd strongest. I'm saying that there's NOTHING in the story indicating Ace occupies a spot that could very well be occupied by any other commander. Oden's example, if anything, helps Ace being...

Again, I don't see why Ace would be a top tier commander if he were way weaker than the others. Some lower ranking commanders from Whitebeard were having some problems with Moria, so the low ranking ones seem to be weaker. The top 1 and 2 position can be interchangeable, but what reasons we have...

Cracker ~ Doflamingo.

Well, would Whitebeard's 2nd division commander be weaker than Big Mom's third commander (Cracker)? Doesn't sound right to me.

I remember when back in the day ppl theorized the red hawk was the consequence of rubber + haki.

I don't know how to compare Ace and current Luffy... I believe Luffy should have soundly surpassed Ace with Gear 4, but then we are later shown that Yonko commanders are at least Doflamingo's tier and Ace was top 2 commander of the then strongest Yonko... Shouldn't that place Ace at least >>...

I'm planning on reading it as well, as soon as I finish Vinland Saga.

I think Whis would get overwhelmed.

True, but look at what a gut punch did to Tenshinhan when him and Goku were similar in power: I could put tailess Goku at 17 (close to Kuririn) and that'd mean a 1.2x gap between him and Giran, same as Vegeta vs Dodoria. Couldn't you see Vegeta momentarily stunning Dodoria with a powerful...

Piccolo's quote means that Kuririn's quick moves and toughness stood up more than Kuririn's Bukujutsu. What I was saying is that for a moment Piccolo Junior seemed more impressed by the Bukujutsu usage than his father was when seeing Tenshinhan employing the same move... which could point out to...

That was one big punch to the gut. And it just momentarily stunned him. He was fine afterwards. Giran's tail seemed to have an effect on Goku too, judging by this latter's face when the tail hit his neck. Piccolo Daimao got a 1.33x boost aftet recovering his youth, actually. @SIAD -- I don't...

Piccolo Junior didn't express surprise at Kuririn's Bukujutsu in his quote, but for a moment he seemed quite shocked when Kuririn used that to stop himself from falling out. Compare that with Piccolo Daimao's reaction to Tenshinhan using Bukujutsu to fly from the airplane... he seems way less...

Piccolo Junior also didn't seem to expect high of Kuririn, which is why he was surprised even by Kuririn's Bukujutsu, which he highlighted. The first thing Tenshinhan did when confronting young Daimao was show he was able to fly, so he likely expected higher from Tenshinhan there. Kuririn was...