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That's not even bad show me how you fit in Kaioshin and Piccoli

If Goten is 100 what is Gohan? 1,000?

I'd like to see that, but aren't you worried about making the boys too weak compared to the adults?

Man, if Piccolo doesn't even surpass 16, how pathetic would that be? Ugh..

Oh ok cool, surprised to see you even talking this much about DB, cool

Good points. The manga is as you say it is. Much more definitive than I thought. I don't know who are you, I just got here so I don't know your views. Seems like a logical thought. But you are trying to make a narrative work that was abandoned and discarded. If Piccolo at the CG being somewhere...

Team ups are different for sure in Super. But changes did occur in the Buu Saga like Super. Vegeta vs Fat/Kid Buu shows power level gaps mean nothing like they used to. Vegeta is a mere 25% of Fat/Kid at best yet seems to hold his own decently. He lasts longer against these two monsters than...

Tired enough to make vastly weaker fighters capable of holding their own. Base Saiyans > Kaioshin > Piccolo > Base Boys (Post) > Base Boys (Pre) The boys post rosat aren't 1.5 Cell Junior since that would allow them to make short work of them. The boys post rosat and possibly even making some...

No, the adults are on a CG MSSJ tier, the boys are significantly below that. They are even struggling with the Cell Juniors even after Post RoSaT in the Super manga. That seems to suggest if their Post RoSaT selves can't even manhandle the Cell Jrs, no doubt their Pre-RoSaT selves couldn't...

That might be the perfect spot where it's not getting too out of hand but at least giving him something. If you just read the Buu Saga, there's no real need for him to be much more than that.

Indeed he appears to be. There's no way to explain it other than that AT seemed to forget about Piccolo powering up. If you look at Piccolo more like his power versus 17 and the implications of how weak 18 in, it makes more sense. Piccolo's time in the Chamber needs to be nerfed...

Potara is definitely superior, but all of the evidence we have now doesn't seem like it's likely that it's as superior as it seemed to be suggested initially. The adults most likely hold a giant edge over the kids. Base Saiyans > Kaioshin > Piccolo > Boys (Post) > Boys (Pre) The boys are in...

Base Saiyans > Kaioshin > Piccolo > Base Boys > 18 The suit really constricted the boys ability to fight 18, so much so that even as Super Saiyan they can't seem to KO 18 with physical punches, so the fight with the boys and 18 doesn't mean much. Just confirms how disgustingly powerful the Base...

I've considered that before too. It's not their fault. The author didn't give us much to go off of. I just came up with this theory recently and it's the only one that seems plausible and even it has issues. Fusions not being able to go Super Saiyan was a rule that quickly went away just like...

There seems to be consistent characteristics of Gohan being a Super Saiyan 2 in the anime. Gohan has paler skin, hair is very spiky and so on. GT is irrelevant to this discussion. Goku is clearly above Gohan I'd say in the anime and this hax seems carried on into Super. Super Saiyan Goku (Post...

I still have Kibito much weaker than the Base Saiyans. But there's no narrative reason to have Kibito less than 18. The way the manga sells it is that he was so flummoxed by the events that conspired he basically forgot about how strong Gohan was and only remembers it to a degree once he does...

Yes, surely if Goku is dramatically weaker, his potara fusion as well. Remember, it's more about top power than transformation. If Goku is 100 versus a 400, clearly the 400 power Goku would add much more to the fusion. So 2 Vegeta's would be far weaker than 2 Gokus fusing. Yes, I think the...

Yeah, that's probably the best approach. Since the Super anime seems to follow at least some parts of Kai over the manga, I'm willing to dip into some filler or anime "correction" to tie this canon together. Super keeps the Ginyu Frog thing, Kid Buu hax and why not make Gohan a Super Saiyan 2...

I have no idea. He most likely shouldn't be rated. There's too many variables and not enough evidence. Base Fusion > Fusee's Full Power This trend seems to hold. Let's say this is the case. Base Goku/Vegeta 100 (Does not have Super Saiyan yet) Base Gogeta 250 The next day, the acquire Super...

Agreed, Dabura's arrogance has lead him to a false sense of confidence in those scenarios. However, the evidence points towards Dabura's confidence regarding his ability vs. Super Saiyans being legit. Badibi isn't overly concerned about Dabura's chances until the Super Saiyan 2 burst. If both...