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So, why SSJ Gotenks' speed needs to be tested, if he is like 20x stronger than Goku or more? Why SSJ Gotenks can't defeat Fat Buu in 1 minute whereas SSJ3 Goku can kill a stronger Buu (Kid Buu) in that amount of time? Thing is, that Fusions has always been portrayed to have cocky attitude, as...

Well, I don't take into account the anime due to the exaggerations Toei oftenly do. Even then, I would like that you explained your own reasoning behind Kid Buu < Super Buu in the manga.

Even if they resurrect being weaker than usual, I highly doubt they resurrect being quite weak. Piccolo when resurrected back on Namek doesn't seemed to have those negative effects, in this case, after Freeza incident, Dragon Balls were upgraded, no reason as to why they would resurrect being...

Dominating someone with your legs is not an easy task at all, we saw how Goku was even able to nearly touch Freeza and break his defense (even though, Freeza breaking his own rule of not using his hands is possible due to his anger at Goku biting his tail): It took a gap such as Kaioken x10...

SSJ Kid Gohan < True Speed Cell < Full Power Perfect Cell < Buff Perfect Cell < Super Perfect Cell <= SSJ2 Kid Gohan. SSJ2 being x2 SSJ doesn't make sense in any shape.

Another problem is that, that would make Base Gotenks above SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, SSJ Goten and Trunks put together, even though, according to guidebooks is pretty much impossible for him to be stronger than SSJ2 Majin Vegeta in Base Pre rosat. Base Gotenks Post ain't stronger than SSJ3 Goku...

Gotenks' confidence against Majin Buu must place him above SSJ Goten and Trunks, that's credible at some point, as well as Trunks bringing the possibility of Base Gotenks Post ~ Fat Buu. If we take this at face value: SSJ Kids < Base Gotenks Pre < Base Gotenks Post ~ Fat Buu Also, SSJ Gotenks...

Considering that Good Buu acknowledge inferiority towards Kid Buu in a couple of punches (which not even Buuhan do so easily against SSJ Vegetto), as well as in the 2nd part of the fight he was stopping Good Buu with his legs similar to SSJ Vegetto vs Buuhan makes me believe that Kid Buu...

Goku wanted to teleport to Beerus' planet, he just used the opportunity when Vegeta went SSj Blue and was clearly trying hard to do so. It is implied that Black appeared after doesn't sound like he appeared years afterwards. Hmmm, yes, Dabura was implied to be someone too obsessed to get...

Actually, now that I've been thinking about it, Goku's line is pretty solid considering that he thought that Vegetto would have ended him up in one blast. Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.5 Context: after Super Saiyan 3 Goku explains he need to gather ki for 1 minute to defeat pure Boo Goku...

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If you don't have anything to add to this discussion, please absent from comment. I've been watching Kid Buu's appearance from his rebirthing to his death and have noted many different and interesting things, here are just a few ideas I want to share with all of you: Possibility #1: Kid Buu's...

I think that happened due to Cell understimating him; he didn't expect Trunks to have gotten stronger and that he stayed at the same level when he was unable to defeat the androids, we also have seen 70% Freeza being able to push back SSJ Goku, so I don't think it's that big of a achievement...

Hmmm no, I think that you're misunderstanding my stance, Goku in Super is stronger than in DBZ, and have two additional transformations on top of that. Goku begans to say that he hadn't fought a God since Beerus, and, in this case, he is fighting a God that is not even remotely as powerful as...

Hmm no, there are several characters that surpass everyone of DBZ in Super... problem is characters surpassing everyone in DBZ while they compare to regular SSJ forms, which doesn't make any sense. Don't know what the manga have to do with this...

Which doesn't make any sense...

Even then, considering that Buu once Gotenks separated felt in need to immediately absorb Gohan as a contingency plan he already had, it's far less possible that he would dare to fight a fusion between Goku and Gohan. This is also taking into consideration that he dared to challenge SSJ Vegetto...

According to Old Kaioshin, a base Potara fusion of Goku and Gohan would've been plenty to defeat him, also, considering that fusion time was about to expire, things would get even worse for Buu as he would lost a vast amount of power.

It was contradicted because Gowasu retracted his own comment, Goku and Zamasu can't be on par with Beerus since that would make Goku and Goku Black many times stronger than him. I can agree at some exent that Goku can be a formidable opponent to a God of Destruction, but talking about Goku of...

@FeatsofPower Gohan doesn't feel overwhelmed by fighting Dabura once he shows despite being the weakest saiyan between the 3 and Dabura infers that Gohan considers that he stated that he can make a fool out of him, of course, Gohan isn't going to easily win, unlike Vegeta or Goku. Goku's...