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Damn, this is becoming more of an issue than I initially expected. Vegeta indicates extreme confidence in help from the Z-fighters against 1st Form Freeza compared to having zero confidence in the Z-team against FF Freeza. Sure, Vegeta is buying into his own SSJ hype to think he can defeat...

Vegeta 4,000,000 ~ Final Burst Cannon 6,000,000 Freeza 4,500,000 ~ Speed-Up 5,250,000 ~ Kick 6,500,000 I think I got this...

There's reason to believe this is potentially a good battle.

These three have some strong resemblance. I'd say this... (Goku > 19) > (Freeza > KHH) > (Raditz > KHH) This proves 50% Freeza, or whatever percentage he may be here, is very, very strong. How so foolish the Daizenshuu is once again making 50% Freeza at 60 million while the KHH is as well...

After Enraged versus Raditz he's at a 1. He's emotional in Raditz ship, but he doesn't seem to be enraged. 710 He's completely angry 1,307. Piccolo tries to kill this damn kid, Piccolo says he's stronger than expected. 1,500? Oozaru Gohan 2,000 perhaps? Is Oozaru Gohan beating King Kai or...

I think Vegeta proves that the Kaioken Kamehameha indeed does have some amp. Vegeta knows Kkx3 Goku is significantly stronger than himself. Yet, he thinks he can defeat him still. If Goku is using no amp, it would be weird for Vegeta to have so much confidence going through. Also, consider...

He really is using half power. If he went above 50% shouldn’t he say was?

Playing around with the Raditz numbers made me want to try this idea out. Maybe taking Piccolo's statement to point towards ki amp progression over the years really isn't the best method here. Maybe Piccolo is just highlighting the weakness of the amp of the Kaioken Kamehameha. Just think...

Can they be equals?

If they are given military orders from birth that they need to follow, isn't that some sort of brainwashing going on? Was it ever talked about in how that would work?

Here’s what I’m think… Namek Krillen 250,000 Mecha Freeza Krillen 500,000 Tien 375,000 Androids/Cell Games Krillen 5,000,000 Tien 3,750,000 Buu Saga Krillen 5,000,000 Tien 4,000,000 BoG Krillen 5,000,000 Turn 4,200,000 ToP Krillen 5,000,000 Tien 4,250,000 And is EoZ Krillen > Tien...

There's a lot going on here. Initial Raditz has to be at least double Piccolo. He completely tanks Piccolo's moon busting attack. Speed Up Raditz must be at least 1.5x Unweighted Goku/Piccolo. Piccolo and Goku only have a slight chance on defeating Initial Raditz. Perhaps we are not assuming...

Who was at a lower percentage of power. Damaged Vegeta when fighting Gohan. Or Damaged Piccolo at the 23rd Budokai? Vegeta's top power is 18k in the Saiyan Saga. Gohan's power is probably around 1,500. So we have confirmation Vegeta is fighting at around 10% of his power. Is Piccolo doing the...

Whoa, never knew this. During the Raditz Arc, Goku throws a rock at Roshi's house and they make a power statement between Roshi and Krillen that Goku has the same power as before. Goku W/ Weights = 23rd Budokai Goku That's different. And this one might even hold up if I dig into the manga a...

Ok so here's a checklist of Raditz varying levels. 1- His initial power that tanks Piccolo's unamplified blast. He omega level tanks it, which puts Raditz at least at 2x the blast. Even though Goku and Piccolo have access to more power by removing their weights, there isn't any real confidence...

Discussing this with Ducas, might as well share my thoughts here. Here's a couple ideas. Future Androids (Initial) > Mecha Freeza Future Androids > Future Gohan > Future Vegeta Vegeta is clearly not stronger than the Androids considering he is killed by them. Gohan should know how the...

Here's some things we must assume. SSJ Z Sword Gohan = SSJ2 Teen Gohan And then we have to assume that SSJ2 Z Sword Gohan is somewhere decently within reach for Fat Buu. Let's try a 2x boost and see what happens. SSJ3 Goku (All Out) 100 SSJ3 Goku 80 Fat Buu 75 SSJ2 Z Gohan 50 SSJ Z Gohan 25...

Ok @SSJ2 Let's stress test this reduced multiplier business. 1. Is the fusion formula exponential? Or static? 2. How strong do you roughly have KibitoShin? 3. How strong is Shin is comparison to the Base Saiyans?

SSJ Z Sword Gohan = SSJ2 Teen Gohan I'm pretty convinced that Toyo thinks Gohan was a SSJ2, he also thinks Z Sword matches his previous strength. But his fights are so different than AT's, AT made his fights really quick. Looking over Vegeta vs 18, the fight is like 10-12 panels and that's it...

Ok, let's see what your numbers are for this. Include all 3 levels of power displayed by Raditz and Piccolo's blast when they first meet.