I Forget about Janemba being the greatest ki Goku ever felt (although those kind of statements doesn't seem to include his SSJ3 from either the past or his current level):
Janemba 1st form: 4.104.000.000.000
Those kind of things are understand without saying, I mean, when Cell states that Trunks has grown stronger, does he also makes mention of his SSJ form? When Metal Cooler said that Goku had powered up considerably is he also making mention of him going SSJ?
To understand this better, so you can know how do I compare the movies with the series, I'll put the two links of my BP of Cell & Buu Sagas.
https://dbzeta.net/threads/natashas-new-power-level-list-android-arc-cell-games-2023.23666/...
Yes, he was, so? He considered him as monster as ever and made a recount of what happened during 7 years before of his defeat. As well as was confident on defeating him before LSSJ state enter into the movie.
He is able to tell when someone is getting hurt and enjoy himself such as when he tortured Vegeta or was taking his time with Good Buu. He also responded with an huge energy ball during the incident of Earth, so yes, he is a psycopath and a maniac.
@Warrior_of_Mite
To be fair, half of power Goku convinced Vegeta that he was always one step ahead of him, also considering that full power Goku (and the rest of the saiyans) surpassed Grade 3 Trunks who was above initial Perfect Cell who was tank level for Super Vegeta makes the gap even...
@Spiral-Force
You talk too much about "counter" but you've done nothing to disprove me in either case. It's too way immaturate from you to think that with constant lies you disproves other person and much less "own" that someone. No, you're nowhere near close when it comes to beating me.
You...
It mostly depends on which form you think Gohan was in while fighting Dabura or which form you think Vegeta and Goku were talking about when they say that they can defeat him.
My levels:
Dabura: 261.250.000.000
Full efort: 263.000.000.000
SSJ Vegeta: 296.875.000.000
SSJ2 Vegeta...
Although, he still had to see Evil as someone incredibly strong considering how easily he took down Fat Buu, the fact that he isn't worried and actually mock how Buu's power would decrease may indicate that he doesn't view him as that big of a deal.
Super Buu =/= Kid Buu
Nothing other than Kid Buu's size is said to have decreased. Of course, I'm not of SSJ3 Goku is the stronkest mindset, just that Kid Buu is far above his (Goku's) league.
And he never changed his mind about Evil Buu, as well as has view him fight. Kid Buu had done nothing other than the energy ball that destroyed the Earth before fighting Goku.
South Kaioshin strengthing Buu's strength, sounds more like headcanon. I think the best route to go with is the difference in between them (Buff Buu and Kid Buu) being inexistent.
@Hector
Well, I got confused and thought you were trying to imply that Fat Buu = Good Buu.
Regardless, Kid Buu = Evil Buu, doesn't hold, if Vegeta view one as someone who is far too strong for him to match, while was actually making it appear as if Evil Buu would be nothing to care.
OG Fat Buu would have done better, though. He would still be outclassed and overpowered.
Good Buu sometimes doesn't seem to be that much better against Kid Buu than what SSJ2 Vegeta was against him.
@GreatSaiyaman123
Kid Buu doesn't have the negative Kaioshin influences that nerfed him, Evil...