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Exactly it has been figured out

It shouldn’t be that hard. The most accurate way is to utilize battle powers in the way a given fight turns out. Essentially a battle power is more akin to combat ability more or less. It’s not about what you lift, it’s about how well you fight. When you look at prime Mike Tyson, bro is moving...

I think that initial blast before he powers up is 2,500 or so

Initial is 2,500 I feel and FP is 8k he has significant speed fears against Goku.

Vegeta is clearly hyper defensive about being dismissed. No one has ever taken this as a true power statement. I think one of the key things to making a good power level list is realizing not everything is a power statement.

Who?

Vegeta is just talking trash. He's lucky if he can fight 3 Android 19s on his own.

This is irrational. Evidence from expectations is the only way to determine the disparity between two fighters in such cases. Any disqualification of such evidence is merely an excuse for one to insert their own subjective preference. The reason you dislike it is because it limits your...

The Death Beam is stronger than what you are talking about though.

Yeah, honestly, we should actively be looking for people who are weaker than him in Part 1. There's not many I'd say.

No, the Death Beam that Goku tanks is probably around 55-60% of Super Saiyan Goku.

It's quite close though, don't you think?

It's about 60% or so.

2x bare minimum, but 3x feels better, I'd agree.

No weapons...

King Piccolo should be a legit monster.

Ok, that's pretty good.

Is that what started this all?

100% Grandpa Gohan is a legit awesome character. We should get a whole lot more of him. I mean, the person who raised Goku's got his body in the afterlife. It should be Grandpa Gohan there with Kaio as well.

Perhaps.