100% cell games goku vs Grade 3 final flash

[p123]

Yep. That helps my argument.

Gotenks > All in that scene.

Same thing for Goku.

Goku > All, except Gohan.

 

[ahill1]

Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku? :shock:

 

[p123]

Sure, just show me a picture of Goku's orgasmic face at Base Gotenks power and I'll agree.

 

[ahill1]

Ok, he didn't react to Gotenks. But part of your point was "they were all dumbfounded by 50% Goku so >> grade 3 Trunks", right? These reactions don't show much when the people who witnessed Goku SSJ3 were also dumbfounded by base Gotenks, who should be <<< fat Boo (Piccolo already knew it from the beginning yet was :shock.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Trunks reactions implies that Goku surpassed him but in your case Goku wasn't there to react on Gotenks's power.

 

[p123]

Trunks is shook by Goku's power. That's the point.

 

[ahill1]

So is Vegeta by Cell's suppressed power:

http://mangalife.us/read-online/Dragon-Ball-chapter-190-index-2-page-1.html

And according to Trunks, Vegeta should have known the SSJG3.

 

[p123]

He should have, but he dismissed it. Trunks has thought about Grade 3 as being his true power for a long time. It's not like he automatically forgets what that level is like after just recently being told it was useless.

The scene is much more dramatic if Trunks is surpassed in his highest form. And Buff Cell, who is at least Trunks equal, if not stronger.

 

[ahill1]

He dismissed it because he knows it's useless. He would surpass Cell's power with grade 3 and yet was completely surprised at Cell's showcase of power. Why? Because he knows grade 3 is an useless power and he won't be taking it into consideration. Trunks was already schooled twice times (both by Vegeta and by Cell) that that type of transformation isn't worthy doing, so I don't think he has to be considering it in his reactions, just like Vegeta wasn't. That's not Trunks' true power anymore, nobody considers this form his true power:

Chapter: 409 (DBZ 215), P3.5
Context: after Gohan says he can beat Cell
Cell: “Well then, I’ll show you…! My fearsome true power…!”


Look at Trunks in the Cell Games as another example. He should be able to perform the grade 3 transformation and he was ahead 50% Goku. I'm sure you think the grade 3 transformation is a bigger boost than 2x, which would put him way ahead 100% Goku. Yet how Trunks reacted to 100% Goku? He was surprised as everyone else and commented how Goku is incredible.

 

[p123]

All of that is fine and dandy, Buff Trunks and Buff Cell are the new whipping boys. Their power is surpassed. That's the point. Goku is the new god.

 

[Pyro]

Krillin doesn't think so, and Krillin was the authority in the Cell Saga.

 

[p123]

Yea, from my viewpoint. Trunks is still looking at Grade 3 as his power, it's a failed power, but in this situation with Goku, he's saying, holy shit, Goku has surpassed my useless power, by a wide margin. That's how I see it.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It is clear as a day that SSG3 was irrelevant once Buff Cell and 50% Goku appeared in the scene.