1st form Cell

[FutureProtagonist]

What's up with this guy? He seems to be way above Piccolo, taking a huge amped attack without defending, but got his lip busted by the same and struggled to catch that black haired brat.

So what's up?

Personally, I'm more comfortable going with the crazy high above Piccolo placement. His power seemed a bit nebulous up until the Light Grenade thing and I feel like that was meant to establish his power. It would count as a retcon, but I feel there's an inconsistency here that's hard to reconcile.

I suppose you could argue that Cell was playing around with #17 and Piccolo, but I find that unlikely given the orgasmic anticipation he had towards becoming Perfect. He was actually annoyed by Tenshithands slowing him down; under other circumstances, I could see him finding hide-and-seek amusing, but he really just wanted that Perfection at his earliest possible convenience.

 

[Yoshi]

Doctor Gero considered #16 his ultimate weapon, as shown when #17 and #18 tried opening his pod.

Since he's on par with Cell, that's more than enough reason to them both being far above Piccolo and #17.

The Daiz 7 also states #16 is the strongest Android. This means he's above Super #13 who was practically tanking Piccolo's blows.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

That's something I hadn't considered. I don't like the movie aspect, but it actually works in that context.

 

[Dagon]

Notice that Imperfect Cell(post human absorptions) blocks Piccolo's attacks instead of tanks them. I think he may not be true "tanking" range above Piccolo. Light Grenade doesn't have to be a huge amplification.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

It has to be above Goku's KHH at the beginning of DBZ. When Cell pulled that move at Ginger Town, Piccolo laughed at it.

 

[Yoshi]

Yeah, Light Grenade is definitely above even Special Beam Cannon. Piccolo fired it at Nappa and neither him nor Vegeta were too concerned about it.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

It doesn't have to be stronger than a fully charged Makan. Piccolo may have used it against Nappa, but that one wouldn't have had any kind of noticeable amp. Gohan's 2,800 Masenko should be above it.

At the same time, the gesture was totally different, so I'm not sure it was even the same attack. Maybe some kind of variant.

Daizenshuu 7 says the following:

Concentrating ki into his fingertips, he fires it out in the form of a screw. As the kind of technique that concentrates ki into a single point, its force is enough to pierce through the opponent's body. It possesses considerable destructive and piercing power, but it's weakness is that it requires time to gather ki

That attack didn't come from his fingertips, nor did it take time to start up.

 

[Papasmurf]

Well, the Kamehameha is typically launched by cupping both hands together, but has been fired even with one hand, the feet, or as two separate blasts. I doubt the Makankosappo necessarily needs to be fired from the fingertips. Other attacks like the Genki Dama have also been used differently in their appearances.

 

[Yoshi]

You also have to take into account that Piccolo may have improved upon the technique in one year and significantly lowered the charge time.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

A decently amped attack still needs some charging, and while he may have improved it, that's not accounted for by the Daizenshuu entry. I can buy him being able to fire off a quick one, but I think in terms of charging timeower ratio, the Light Grenade should be above it. I don't think it necessarily has to be above the one he used against Raditz.

 

[Papasmurf]

I considered he could fire it much more quickly than a year before, since he couldn't use it at all without charging it up when they fought Raditz. I'm inclined to agree though that an instantly charged attack still wouldn't pack as much punch as a heavily charged one, since a simpler attack like the KHH still required some charge time to be used at full force against Vegeta, while the instantaneous one against Nappa wasn't too powerful.

 

[Pyro]

I don't think Cell dodging Piccolo's strikes means he's unable to tank them. A Cell Jr dodged Krillin's punch but we know he's far above the guy.

 

[Southern Gothic]

In regards to the busted lip, this was only Cell's second fight, and it may have taken him some time to adjust to his own power upgrade, as well as gage Piccolo's speed.

A newer example of this is Vegeta vs Beerus, and the gap there is far larger than Piccolo and Cell. Seeing this, I can buy a little superficial blood without consequence.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The new materials seems to be part of Toei's inconsistencies.

 

[Southern Gothic]

The new materials seems to be part of Toei's inconsistencies.

It does create some new bumps, but I don't think Piccolo and Cell or Vegeta and Beerus goes too far out there.

Remember when Piccolo was fighting Freeza? After Freeza transforms, Piccolo knows the power advantage has shifted, bit he still thinks he has the speed until Freeza proves otherwise.

That's what I see happening here, except in reverse. Cell was the one adjusting. Same with Mr. Beers.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Goku's Kamehameha to Beerus doesn't have an effect at all. Beside Beerus was just close to his 70% power.

Goku's Kamehameha doesn't effect to Freeza as well.

 

[Pointer]

Doctor Gero considered #16 his ultimate weapon, as shown when #17 and #18 tried opening his pod.

Since he's on par with Cell, that's more than enough reason to them both being far above Piccolo and #17.

The Daiz 7 also states #16 is the strongest Android. This means he's above Super #13 who was practically tanking Piccolo's blows.

Movies has nothing to do with the manga. Besides Daiz is just a guidebook

Personally

Cell= 15

Android 16 = 15

17= 10

Piccolo = 10

No one knows how big was that amp attack......

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

But Piccolo intended to kill him and Cell just tanked it like nothing.

 

[Super Saiyan Overlord1007]

Post Humans Cell should be far above Piccolo if he can take and stomp him and 17 at the same time as well as taking one of if not his best attacks head on and coming out of unscathed.

 

[Pointer]

But Piccolo intended to kill him and Cell just tanked it like nothing.

what if that attack has an amp like gyarikku hou?


Also Piccolo was battleworned