23rd Budokai Discussion

[p123]

Goku (Full Power) ~ Piccolo (Full Power) )> (Goku and Kami) > Goku/Piccolo @ Kami > Piccolo/Goku (Initial) > Kami + 100s of Humans > Kami


That's to start us off. Goku/Piccolo are a bit fatigued, but Roshi does state the page before that Goku's stamina is unwavering. Kami loses sight of them, yet not long after, Kami catches Piccolo's punch and states he will help Goku defeat him. They have to beg Kami to butt out. Clearly Kami can be a difference maker here with Goku, but should Goku die, Kami with the humans has no chance. Just want to clear that up because Ahill made a point that needed to be corrected!

 

[withheldforprivacy]

How much power do you think Piccolo had lost by the time Goku was down for the count?

 

[p123]

Goku was down for what count? Why don't you post your entire chain of Kami/Goku and Piccolo. How they are in reference to each other. We are going to have to do one for Cell/Goku/Cell Juniors as well. The damage levels matter for those two fights quite a lot.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Goku was down for what count? Why don't you post your entire chain of Kami/Goku and Piccolo. How they are in reference to each other. We are going to have to do one for Cell/Goku/Cell Juniors as well. The damage levels matter for those two fights quite a lot.

What do you think of that?

Piccolo
-max: 100
-out of breath: 90
-post arm regeneration: 80
-post ultimate attack: 60
-post further beating: 50

Kami: 40

 

[p123]

That's tough. I have to look at the fight over again. What is our baseline? Super hurt Piccolo thinks Goku is dead and proclaims Kami and the humans can't stop him right?

 

[SSJ2]

The best part is, Piccolo was in similar condition to Goku at that time, who was completely down for the count. Yet he still had enough in reserve to stomp everyone and Kami? T just doesn't make sense to me. This is why I view it as a multi fold gap between Kami and Piccolo/Goku... like 3x minimum.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

The best part is, Piccolo was in similar condition to Goku at that time, who was completely down for the count. Yet he still had enough in reserve to stomp everyone and Kami? T just doesn't make sense to me. This is why I view it as a multi fold gap between Kami and Piccolo/Goku... like 3x minimum.

Goku was in a much worse condition but won with an off guard hit on the solar plexus.

 

[SSJ2]

You're right, I'm thinking of a different part.

After the mouth blast though, both Goku and Piccolo were barely able to stand up. Piccolo still had enough in the tank to stomp everyone, and that fact doesn't change.

 

[p123]

Didn't we leave off with something crazy here?

(Gohan, Lost more than Half his kI) being less damaged than Piccolo was, who declares he can defeat Kami?

That write up that ahill did about the 22nd Budokai, we need that for every segment so we never have to rehash anything. We should work on that as a project and sticky that shit, it would be hall of fame legendary. We all apparently have the time. Why not do something productive for the community? That way anytime these news in other forums have something to say, you just BAM, display the superior logic.

 

[SSJ2]

Does that debate with VOR not prove that some debates can never be won? Even if we compiled it in a masterful way such as ahill's post, you just know that these mongoloids would still refuse it as evidence.

 

[p123]

Of course, some people can't be reasoned with. But the whole point of this is to have the shit mastered, explained and mapped out for future fans. People who are reasonable should be able to catch up to us within a couple of months. It's a kid's cartoon after all.

 

[SSJ2]

YouTube seems like a better platform for that imo. Forum is more about discussing the series from all possible angles and viewpoint imo. YT would be where you lay down the law with a long-ass factual video.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah, and YouTube is the place that attracts most noobs. Kids who watch a Drandosk Video and believe Broly can wreck SSJG or whatnot.

You better get that shit working P. I am more than up to breaking down the whole manga with you guys.

 

[p123]

Yea, Youtube deserves something better than Seth the Programmer and VegettoEx, I'm going to give it to them. Let them get a true master. I'm going to get a million views!

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

VegettoEX? It's Vegito1089 no?

This reminds me of the old days when i'd follow almost everything of Seth's words and spread them over Kanzenshuu. It wasn't until i got on here that i completely changed my beliefs.

 

[p123]

Yes, my mistake. VegettoEX is the Kanzenshuu guy. And yep, you've come to OtherWorld of Dragonball debating. There's nothing like this shit over here. On this site, you are comparing the damage levels of Goku and Piccolo at the 23rd Budokai. On other sites, you are talking about if Yardrat Goku = Namek Goku. Lol. The level is so different.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Hell yeah. It's quite nice that this forum isn't as big as Neo, DBZF or Kanzenshuu because it means there are less trolls to deal. It's like a safe house here.

And since you mentioned it... How much power you think Goku and Piccolo lost by the end of the figth? Piccolo was barely able to open his eyes and stand up, and was weaker than a Goku who had every limb of his body broken.

 

[p123]

Yet, still strong than Kami. I'm working on my Youtube videos, but Goku/Piccolo damage powers for the 23rd are definitely on my to do list as soon as I finish up here.

 

[SSJ2]

You'd better post those vids here son.

 

[p123]

Well do me a favor, look through my Dragonball numbers with a fine tooth comb while I'm working on it. I'd like to see if anyone can pick it apart before it's published.

This is really forcing me to be on my game. I'm going to be the new standard for power levels for all of YouTube. I'm pumped man. But gotta make sure it's right.