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Whilst it's true both Kuririn and Yamcha could follow the movements, they did that in awe. I mean their expression says it all. They were awe-inspired, so maybe it's like a Goku vs Freeza kind-of thing.



I mean I am kind-of serious.Diamond Ryan said:
But that look looks like it's quite above them as-in well above.Diamond Ryan said:I never denied that. It's made clear that Piccolo Daimao level speed is above them. I'm just arguing against Daimao being able to defeat them easily.
Tenshinhan had just nullified the Super Dodonpa with a kiai, so I doubt that statement is primarily speed-based. And at least in my opinion, they don't really look that shocked by the battle until Tenshinhan goes all out.Fantastische Hure said:But that look looks like it's quite above them as-in well above.Diamond Ryan said:I never denied that. It's made clear that Piccolo Daimao level speed is above them. I'm just arguing against Daimao being able to defeat them easily.
Also Tenshinhan when he fought Tao-Pai-Pai wasn't going all-out, yet Kuririn said he's "too strong" or something like that (when he one-shotted Tao). Then Tenshinhan fought Goku and that level even initially seemed above what Tenshinhan used to one-shot Tao-Pai-Pai (or maybe not since they saw him move a lot more and stuff).
Then maybe I'm misremembering. I'm going off memory mainly.Diamond Ryan said:Tenshinhan had just nullified the Super Dodonpa with a kiai, so I doubt that statement is primarily speed-based. And at least in my opinion, they don't really look that shocked by the battle until Tenshinhan goes all out.Fantastische Hure said:But that look looks like it's quite above them as-in well above.Diamond Ryan said:I never denied that. It's made clear that Piccolo Daimao level speed is above them. I'm just arguing against Daimao being able to defeat them easily.
Also Tenshinhan when he fought Tao-Pai-Pai wasn't going all-out, yet Kuririn said he's "too strong" or something like that (when he one-shotted Tao). Then Tenshinhan fought Goku and that level even initially seemed above what Tenshinhan used to one-shot Tao-Pai-Pai (or maybe not since they saw him move a lot more and stuff).
He didn't necessarily have to be. Could also have been somewhat close to Chapa-o, but yeah seems more likely that Yamcha is way above him but Tenshinhan called Goku's power 3 years ago "anything but perfect" and was surprised that he went so much above even that. Seems like he respects that level of power very much. Tenshinhan also didn't speed-blitz weighted Goku that badly, even-though I guess part of it could be because Tenshinhan didn't want to finish the fight yet.Diamond Ryan said:Didn't Yamcha at the 22nd Budokai hold Chappa's power in high regard, despite being a lot stronger than him? You can be far above a certain power and still hold it in a high regard I think.
Right, but he still didn't completely speed-blitz Goku, even taking into account that Tenshinhan might not have wanted to end the fight straight-way. Goku was still kind-of able to defend himself, but barely.Atem King of Niger said:Tenshinhan said he was surprised that Goku's eyes could keep up with his speed, so I think there was quite a gap between weighted Galu and 10shithands in speed
True, but if you look at Tenshinhan after going full-power, it seems that even-though Tenshinhan is obviously putting on the pressure and keeping Goku on the defensive, he wasn't like stomping him. Goku was getting hit a few times, but he was also barely able to defend himself.Diamond Ryan said:Tenshinhan said his eyes can keep up but his body can't, or something along those lines. I imagine that if Goku wasn't as strong as he was (i.e. Piccolo Daimao level still) his eyes wouldn't have been able to keep up either.