23rd Piccolo

[SSJ2]

How strong is he compared to Kami and the others. Tenshinhan offered to help fight Goku, and Goku seemed to think his help would make a difference. However, without Goku fighting, all of the humans and Kami would not be able to beat him. So how strong is he then?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Strong enough to beat a hundreds of Z shenshi.

Chapter: 189, P2.5, P3.1-3
Context: discussing what will happen if Goku loses to Piccolo
Kuririn: “If it comes down to that, we can all gang up and manage something!”
Piccolo: “Kukkukku…You think that you’ll be able to manage something by ganging up on me? Don’t make me laugh! Even if there were a hundred of the likes of you, you’d still be no match. God included. I’m already in a completely different dimension than you!”
Kame-sennin: “Unfortunately, he’s right...Goku is the only one able to take in those stupendously fast movements of his…”

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Dead-Tired Piccolo Jr. >>> Kami

 

[Papasmurf]

A dozen times above the humans sounds good. I don't know about him being that far higher than Kami though.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

A dozen times above the humans sounds good. I don't know about him being that far higher than Kami though.

He said he could still take-on 100 Kamis, though, even when he was tired as all hell.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Piccolo is serious here.

 

[Papasmurf]

He wasn't that tired at the time, that's just around the time he stopped using the giant body technique. I also think the 100 of you applies to the humans, and Kami's inclusion would just make no difference to him being > 100 of :Krillin . Him being > 100 Kamis makes the punch blocking feat look even weirder than it already is, after all

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He wasn't that tired at the time, that's just around the time he stopped using the giant body technique. I also think the 100 of you applies to the humans, and Kami's inclusion would just make no difference to him being > 100 of :Krillin . Him being > 100 Kamis makes the punch blocking feat look even weirder than it already is, after all

But he literally said "God included". mg mg mg

I just take it as another retcon. No-point in thinking so hard over it in my opinion, especially since Kami couldn't even see their movements just a few panels later.

 

[Papasmurf]

Wat if Kami secretly wished back the original Piccolo Daimao offscreen and stole his powa

In all seriousness, it's either that or the 100 thing is an exaggeration. Even Vegeta openly admitted Kakarot getting help from pissants like Gohan (who was below 2800), Piccolo and Kuririn would be a nuisance to him, and this was when he didn't expect Goku to be 8000+

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Wat if Kami secretly wished back the original Piccolo Daimao offscreen and stole his powa

In all seriousness, it's either that or the 100 thing is an exaggeration. Even Vegeta openly admitted Kakarot getting help from pissants like Gohan (who was below 2800), Piccolo and Kuririn would be a nuisance to him, and this was when he didn't expect Goku to be 8000+

Well, AT had numbers to work with there.

In the 23rd Tournament he could do whatever he wanted to without having to think about huge numbers.

 

[Papasmurf]

It's also worth noting that everything from Piccolo shrinking back to normal size up to Kami blocking that hit and Goku refusing his help happen in one chapter, so the retcon is unlikely IMO. Piccolo saying that about 100 of them being worthless also takes place on the third page of the next chapter, and I doubt Toriyama was that forgetful at the time that he'd forget what he stated 3 days ago. Exaggeration seems somewhat likely to me, although injured Piccolo after breaking Goku's legs has to still be > Kami for sure.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

But Kami couldn't keep-up with Goku and Piccolo Jr. a few moments later. He even admits himself. So do you think even if someone can't see someone's movements they could still block a punch from them? Seems weird.

 

[Papasmurf]

Piccolo not expecting Kami could've factored in maybe? At the very least, Piccolo's attention seems totally turned to Goku here while Kami clearly sees him charging straight towards Goku:

 

[Fantastische Hure]

But what-ever the case maybe, Kami is still many-times below Piccolo Jr., right?!

 

[Papasmurf]

Piccolo Jr. has haxed training boosts

 

[SIAD]

I have it as Piccolo (TB23) >> Kami (TB23) + 100 Tenshinhans (TB23).

  I have to Piccolo (TB23) 2,604x Kami (TB23).

  Kami I have overwhelmingly more powerful than Mr. Popo, this in turn is far superior to Tenshinhan (TB23), the latter could very easily defeat Krillin (TB23) and Yamcha (TB23) and together. These last 2 I have them a little more individually powerful than Goku (Post Water) and the latter is somewhat higher than Piccolo Daimaku Young (100%).

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Piccolo Jr. has haxed training boosts

He made even greater gains than Goku, despite Goku being trained by Kami and Mr. Popo.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I have it as Piccolo (TB23) >> Kami (TB23) + 100 Tenshinhans (TB23).

  I have to Piccolo (TB23) 2,604x Kami (TB23).

  Kami I have overwhelmingly more powerful than Mr. Popo, this in turn is far superior to Tenshinhan (TB23), the latter could very easily defeat Krillin (TB23) and Yamcha (TB23) and together. These last 2 I have them a little more individually powerful than Goku (Post Water) and the latter is somewhat higher than Piccolo Daimaku Young (100%).

Over 2,000x. 1 1 1

I think you meant to type ".".

 

[Papasmurf]

Piccolo Jr. has haxed training boosts

He made even greater gains than Goku, despite Goku being trained by Kami and Mr. Popo.

Piccolo's spaceship had enhanced gravity like Goku's 1 1

 

[Fantastische Hure]

On another note is it said that all who trained by Karin, surpassed him? I might be mixing-up with Saiyan-Saga where the same thing was said, but I thought for some reason. I mean they left, and trained on their own after, which I assume means that they had already surpassed Karin at the end of their training there.