23rd Piccolo

[ahill1]

@SIAD - I actually see the difference between God and Popo pretty, pretty big, since I don't see a reason to have Popo above unweighted Goku (vs Tenshinhan) and God was far stronger than Goku's estimated full power by Tenshinhan, which was already far stronger than the level Goku used to defeat the three eyes.

 

[Papasmurf]

@Papasmurf - I'm only trying to say I don't think it's a big deal of Kuririn not knowing the Senzus don't heal injures considering he most likely wasn't injured when he learned about them.

@2kewl4u - But you said a page ago kid Piccolo Junior was clrearly inferior to post Water Goku lol.

People who do harsh training tend to get injured like Kid Gohan training with Piccolo or Goku and Vegeta gravity training, but yeah, I meant it mostly as a joke.

 

[SIAD]

@SIAD - I actually see the difference between God and Popo pretty, pretty big, since I don't see a reason to have Popo above unweighted Goku (vs Tenshinhan) and God was far stronger than Goku's estimated full power by Tenshinhan, which was already far stronger than the level Goku used to defeat the three eyes.

Exact. The difference between Kami and Mr. Popo is giant. Personally I have:

Goku (TB23)> = Piccolo (TB23) >>>> Goku (Vs Piccolo to top) = Piccolo (Goku Vs Principle / Vs Shen)> = Kami (TB23)> Shen >>>> Goku (Estimated Tenshinhan) >> Goku (Vs Tenshinhan / Unweighted)> = Popo (DB) >>> Goku (weighted / Force)> = Tenshinhan (TB23) >>> Goku (weighted / speed)> Goku (Post Water)> = Piccolo Daimaku Young (100%).

 

[Fantastische Hure]

@SIAD - I actually see the difference between God and Popo pretty, pretty big, since I don't see a reason to have Popo above unweighted Goku (vs Tenshinhan) and God was far stronger than Goku's estimated full power by Tenshinhan, which was already far stronger than the level Goku used to defeat the three eyes.

Exact. The difference between Kami and Mr. Popo is giant. Personally I have:

Goku (TB23)> = Piccolo (TB23) >>>> Goku (Vs Piccolo to top) = Piccolo (Goku Vs Principle / Vs Shen)> = Kami (TB23)> Shen >>>> Goku (Estimated Tenshinhan) >> Goku (Vs Tenshinhan / Unweighted)> = Popo (DB) >>> Goku (weighted / Force)> = Tenshinhan (TB23) >>> Goku (weighted / speed)> Goku (Post Water)> = Piccolo Daimaku Young (100%).

Tenshinhan's speed is too much. Goku wasn't even blitzed. At-best maybe in like Cell/Goku, maybe even less range.

 

[ahill1]

@SIAD - I actually see the difference between God and Popo pretty, pretty big, since I don't see a reason to have Popo above unweighted Goku (vs Tenshinhan) and God was far stronger than Goku's estimated full power by Tenshinhan, which was already far stronger than the level Goku used to defeat the three eyes.

Exact. The difference between Kami and Mr. Popo is giant. Personally I have:

Goku (TB23)> = Piccolo (TB23) >>>> Goku (Vs Piccolo to top) = Piccolo (Goku Vs Principle / Vs Shen)> = Kami (TB23)> Shen >>>> Goku (Estimated Tenshinhan) >> Goku (Vs Tenshinhan / Unweighted)> = Popo (DB) >>> Goku (weighted / Force)> = Tenshinhan (TB23) >>> Goku (weighted / speed)> Goku (Post Water)> = Piccolo Daimaku Young (100%).

Pretty much what I have. I'd say Goku (Tenshinhan's estimations) should be >>>> Goku (unweighted vs Tenshinhan). Tenshinhan said it seems Goku hasn't put out anywhere near his true ability. I have:

Tenshinhan - 90,000
Goku (unweighted vs Tenshinhan) - 135,000
Goku (Tenshinhan's estimations) - 265,000
Goku (warm up/vs Piccolo) - 530,000
Goku (full power) - 1,500,000

 

[ahill1]

@SIAD - I actually see the difference between God and Popo pretty, pretty big, since I don't see a reason to have Popo above unweighted Goku (vs Tenshinhan) and God was far stronger than Goku's estimated full power by Tenshinhan, which was already far stronger than the level Goku used to defeat the three eyes.

Exact. The difference between Kami and Mr. Popo is giant. Personally I have:

Goku (TB23)> = Piccolo (TB23) >>>> Goku (Vs Piccolo to top) = Piccolo (Goku Vs Principle / Vs Shen)> = Kami (TB23)> Shen >>>> Goku (Estimated Tenshinhan) >> Goku (Vs Tenshinhan / Unweighted)> = Popo (DB) >>> Goku (weighted / Force)> = Tenshinhan (TB23) >>> Goku (weighted / speed)> Goku (Post Water)> = Piccolo Daimaku Young (100%).

Tenshinhan's speed is too much. Goku wasn't even blitzed. At-best maybe in like Cell/Goku, maybe even less range.

That could be explained by Goku's reaction speed increasing too in this time. The weights would restricy Goku's speed, but not his sense of reaction IMO.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Exact. The difference between Kami and Mr. Popo is giant. Personally I have:

Goku (TB23)> = Piccolo (TB23) >>>> Goku (Vs Piccolo to top) = Piccolo (Goku Vs Principle / Vs Shen)> = Kami (TB23)> Shen >>>> Goku (Estimated Tenshinhan) >> Goku (Vs Tenshinhan / Unweighted)> = Popo (DB) >>> Goku (weighted / Force)> = Tenshinhan (TB23) >>> Goku (weighted / speed)> Goku (Post Water)> = Piccolo Daimaku Young (100%).

Tenshinhan's speed is too much. Goku wasn't even blitzed. At-best maybe in like Cell/Goku, maybe even less range.

That could be explained by Goku's reaction speed increasing too in this time. The weights would restricy Goku's speed, but not his sense of reaction IMO.

He was able to move himself accordingly, too. Just because he can see it, doesn't mean he can defend himself fast enough.

 

[ahill1]

Tenshinhan's speed is too much. Goku wasn't even blitzed. At-best maybe in like Cell/Goku, maybe even less range.

That could be explained by Goku's reaction speed increasing too in this time. The weights would restricy Goku's speed, but not his sense of reaction IMO.

He was able to move himself accordingly, too. Just because he can see it, doesn't mean he can defend himself fast enough.

He was able to move himself accordingly because his senses could react to Tenshinhan's speed, something I don't think he could do 3 years ago. Tenshinhan even said he didn't think Goku could track him at that speed.

Here Goku was able to move to where Tenshinhan was because, like I said, he could see/react to his movements, which implies his reaction speed also increased IMO.

Spoiler

But Goku's body was just too slow to keep with Ten's speed:

Spoiler

 

[Fantastische Hure]

That could be explained by Goku's reaction speed increasing too in this time. The weights would restricy Goku's speed, but not his sense of reaction IMO.

He was able to move himself accordingly, too. Just because he can see it, doesn't mean he can defend himself fast enough.

He was able to move himself accordingly because his senses could react to Tenshinhan's speed, something I don't think he could do 3 years ago. Tenshinhan even said he didn't think Goku could track him at that speed.

Here Goku was able to move to where Tenshinhan was because, like I said, he could see/react to his movements, which implies his reaction speed also increased IMO.

Spoiler

But Goku's body was just too slow to keep with Ten's speed:

Spoiler

He wasn't that slow compared to Tenshinhan, though. He still was able to block hits from Tenshinhan. If Tenshinhan was too fast, no matter if Goku could see him or not he would have speed-blitzed him because Goku himself wouldn't be able to keep-up, but here he could some-what.

 

[ahill1]

He was able to move himself accordingly, too. Just because he can see it, doesn't mean he can defend himself fast enough.

He was able to move himself accordingly because his senses could react to Tenshinhan's speed, something I don't think he could do 3 years ago. Tenshinhan even said he didn't think Goku could track him at that speed.

Here Goku was able to move to where Tenshinhan was because, like I said, he could see/react to his movements, which implies his reaction speed also increased IMO.

Spoiler

But Goku's body was just too slow to keep with Ten's speed:

Spoiler

He wasn't that slow compared to Tenshinhan, though. He still was able to block hits from Tenshinhan. If Tenshinhan was too fast, no matter if Goku could see him or not he would have speed-blitzed him because Goku himself wouldn't be able to keep-up, but here he could some-what.

Goku couldn't block hits from Tenshinhan though. Goku was all the time struggling to keep up and could only do it because his eyes could follow Tenshinhan's speed, but not his body. It's right to say Goku's speed reaction also increased and the weights only restricts his movements.

Goku could only follow Tenshinhan due to his enhanced reflexes, like here:

^See Goku's heading driving up.

Or here:

^With Tenshinhan even being surprised at Goku managing to track him.


Later Tenshinhan said Goku's eyes are able to keep up with him, but not his body:

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He was able to move himself accordingly because his senses could react to Tenshinhan's speed, something I don't think he could do 3 years ago. Tenshinhan even said he didn't think Goku could track him at that speed.

Here Goku was able to move to where Tenshinhan was because, like I said, he could see/react to his movements, which implies his reaction speed also increased IMO.

Spoiler

But Goku's body was just too slow to keep with Ten's speed:

Spoiler

He wasn't that slow compared to Tenshinhan, though. He still was able to block hits from Tenshinhan. If Tenshinhan was too fast, no matter if Goku could see him or not he would have speed-blitzed him because Goku himself wouldn't be able to keep-up, but here he could some-what.

Goku couldn't block hits from Tenshinhan though. Goku was all the time struggling to keep up and could only do it because his eyes could follow Tenshinhan's speed, but not his body. It's right to say Goku's speed reaction also increased and the weights only restricts his movements.

Goku could only follow Tenshinhan due to his enhanced reflexes, like here:

^See Goku's heading driving up.

Or here:

^With Tenshinhan even being surprised at Goku managing to track him.


Later Tenshinhan said Goku's eyes are able to keep up with him, but not his body:

I remember Goku blocking an on-slaught from Tenshinhan, though.

 

[ahill1]

He did it in the anime, but not in the manga, I think.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

But still I remember Goku not being too out-matched against Tenshinhan, though.