2nd Freeza final power up

[p123]

No I think he is actually retarded. Like down syndrome, autism or something. Trying to whittle down which end of the spectrum he is on. Not sure yet.

 

[Jerk Store]

Nah he's pretty good. Most of his views are very weird and unusual though.

Views constantly change,unless your profile name is T.0.S.H.We all had crazy and somewhat stupid ideas,and if i were to tell you mine,you surely would laugh a lot

I once thought that Broly could give a good fight to SSJ Gogeta because he could in the Budokai 3 and Tenkaichi 3 intros.
*wait for the laughter*

I used to subscribe to the 12/15 million figures for Freeza and SSJ Goku nonsense, and thus the "Goku was 300,000 and used KK the whole time!" theory....

That was over a decade ago though.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

Views constantly change,unless your profile name is T.0.S.H.We all had crazy and somewhat stupid ideas,and if i were to tell you mine,you surely would laugh a lot

I once thought that Broly could give a good fight to SSJ Gogeta because he could in the Budokai 3 and Tenkaichi 3 intros.
*wait for the laughter*

I used to subscribe to the 12/15 million figures for Freeza and SSJ Goku nonsense, and thus the "Goku was 300,000 and used KK the whole time!" theory....

That was over a decade ago though.

I used to believe Piccolo was more than ten times stronger than Cell in the Buu Arc, that Piccolo > Ultimate Gohan in the FnF movie (not saga, movie) and that SSJ3 Gotenks was only barely strong enough to stomp Goku. I also thought that when you made a power level list you had to include everyone in existence, even people like the preliminary Budokai chumps for example. (I still have my first list that I made entirely from DB Wiki synopses, I can give a link if you want some cringe in your diet.)

However, thinking that initial second form Frieza is less than a million really isn't that unreasonable. Even a level of 600k-700k would be enough to stomp the ever-living shit out of Vegeta, and also high enough to put his true second form power well over a million, what with the two power-ups. I know you've trained your brains since day one not to agree with Freezamite on anything, but he has a point here.

 

[p123]

No, it's clearly stretching.

If put into my numbers, my power is surely over a million.

Clearly stated in the here and now. The only people who argue against this simple logic is the people who are obsessed with making minimalist power level lists. That's really the only reason. So I think you are wrong here bud, in spite of your experience. You of all people should know better. Shameful!

 

[Jerk Store]

I subscribe to the logic that Freeza was a little over a million initially, but if people wanna interpret it differently, I don't give a shit, doesn't really change anything outcome wise.

P doesn't play that game though. Regardless of how he feels about Freezamite.

 

[Papasmurf]

Initial Freeza >= 1 million is definitely suggested. Vegeta was shocked he could raise his power even higher than that, and thought his power was bottomless when he raised it even further.

 

[Jerk Store]

Yeah, I pretty much take it as fact, but I just dont care enough to debate people about it. Lol

As far as I'm concerned he was definitely over a million, even if it was just by a tiny bit.

 

[ahill1]

Freezamite can have his own views, but some of this are just utterly nonsensical and make me doubt if he really believes that or not. Like 50% Freeza at Semi Cell's level... I mean, really? I don't know how anyone can argue that with a straight face.

Freeza also being over a million initially seems also the better option. Vegeta was already expecting Freeza to gain some power with his transformation, and if he initially was just at 600k Vegeta's and co. reactions wouldn't make a lick of sense.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

No I think he is actually retarded. Like down syndrome, autism or something. Trying to whittle down which end of the spectrum he is on. Not sure yet.

Autistic people are not necessarily retarded,at least some of them.And if he had Down syndrome,surely he would not even understand even a glimpse of the purpose of this thread

 

[KyuubiAhri]

Freezamite can have his own views, but some of this are just utterly nonsensical and make me doubt if he really believes that or not. Like 50% Freeza at Semi Cell's level... I mean, really? I don't know how anyone can argue that with a straight face.

Freeza also being over a million initially seems also the better option. Vegeta was already expecting Freeza to gain some power with his transformation, and if he initially was just at 600k Vegeta's and co. reactions wouldn't make a lick of sense.

Nobody says he has to be 600K. He can be 750-800k and we would still get the same reaction from vegeta.I think the reason freezasmite thinks frieza 2nd form full power is just barely over a million is to make goku's 3 million more believable because otherwise it would be impossible for him to be at that level considering the massive power up frieza received from 2nd form to his final form.

 

[Zamasubadass]

Full power 2nd form frieza being barely above 1 mill is pretty neat because we can have goku at 3 mill without making any gaps tight.Sadly,Initial 2nd form frieza being 1 mill is more likely

 

[p123]

Maybe you are autistic as well Kyuub.

"If put into numbers, my power is surely over a million."

When Freeza decides to power up even further, everyone is shocked by him being able to.


These two facts lead us to believe 99% that Freeza's 2nd Form was over a million, INITIALLY. If you cannot accept this, you are not worth debating with plain and simple.

 

[failPow]

No there's no logic there. Nothing Freeza said suggested he had anymore power than what he showed. That's why everyone was shocked when he was able to power up further.

1st Form power 530,000
2nd Form ( Initial ) Surely over a million

It's just common sense at this point people.

Do you even understand what you write or what you're answering to? Who even said that "Freezer had more power than what he showed" exactly? In fact, in that topic, I'm the one giving Freezer the lowest strength! Lol

Furthermore, you're proving you wrong without even realising it.
1st Form, power 530,000, he states it against Nail and proceeds to fight with his power suppressed because he doesn't need to use it all.
2nd Form, power over 1 million, he states it against the z-warriors and proceeds to fight with his power suppressed because he doesn't need to use it all (and he even admits that TWICE).

Clearly stated in the here and now. The only people who argue against this simple logic is the people who are obsessed with making minimalist power level lists.

Yeah, like how he clearly stated there and then that his power was 530.000 against Nail. Hey, if you want to BRAG about something, you don't give a handicapped number that puts you into a bad spot (or at least, a worse spot than you should be), it's not difficult to understand.
I'll put you an example: I'm Ussian Bolt, and I want to brag about my speed. Would it be logical for me to say "I can run 100 metres in 15 seconds" just because I have no intention of going all out against the ones I'm actually speaking?
No, of course not. I'll tell them I can do the 100 metres in 9,whatever, and then if I just want to mock them I'll beat them while running backwards and doing the 100 metres in 15 seconds, but it makes no sense to brag about something and give wrong data that makes you look worse. It's not a matter of making "minimalist" power level lists, it's a matter of having basic common sense.

Initial Freeza >= 1 million is definitely suggested. Vegeta was shocked he could raise his power even higher than that, and thought his power was bottomless when he raised it even further.

Power sensing != looking at a number. For Vegeta, 2nd Form Freezer had an absurdly high ki from the beginning. It didn't matter if Freezer said he could reach 1 million or 3 millions, because power sensing allows at best to compare someone's ki to someone's other.
As a quick example of that, when Krilin and Gohan first saw Freezer, Zarbon and Dodoria, this was what was said:
5. Freeza (first form and in general) [#FR1#FRE#1ST]

Chapter: 250 (DBZ 56), P4.4-7
Context: Freeza and his men flew by, scaring Kuririn and Gohan.
Kuririn: “Gohan… Did you see…? Th-the weird guy flying second from the lead…”
Gohan: “Y-Yeah… I…saw him…[ ] I felt ab…absolutely incredible power…”
Kuririn: “Th…that squirt…could be far…far more terrible than Ve…Vegeta…The moment I saw him, I was paralyzed…It looked like their were other incredible guys too, but…He’s on a different level…”

Does that mean that Krilin is retarded and can't see that 20.000 or 22.000 (or even 23.000) are bigger than 18.000? No, it just means that Ki sensing is not seeing a number on a screen, and the larger the ki, the more difficult it is to gauge it all.

Freezer had an absurdly high Ki, and that Ki became even bigger. Starting at 600K (or 700K or 800K, depending on what one feels more comfortable at) is already big enough for Freezer to do what he did and more, and it's also enough for the other ones to be impressed with his initial Ki and the other power ups.

Freezer's 2nd form being "over 1 million" is a matter of reading comprehension. At that point it would've made no sense for Freezer to speak about his suppressed power, his was bragging about his strength, he was doing the same he did with Nail. Why would he brag about his power and at the same time give a much smaller number than the one he could really achieve?

 

[ahill1]

Why'd you create a new account, freezamite?

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Why'd you create a new account, freezamite?

http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&p=199402#p199402

 

[ahill1]

I see. But why change the name?

 

[p123]

This guy is an utter fool. Mods, do your job, he has admitted to duping. Down with the heretic.

 

[failPow]

I see. But why change the name?

Freezamite2 would've usually made more sense since I'm going to delete/abandon this account once I can use the old one again, but I thought that if the bug was related to the negative rating a new name would give me more time to post before the negative votes would start to rain on me 2

 

[KyuubiAhri]

Maybe you are autistic as well Kyuub.

Do you actually enjoy insulting others?As for the question,no,i don't have autism.But maybe you suffer from Psychopathy or something since you have habit of calling other people stupid,retarded and what not

 

[freezamite]

Freezamite can have his own views, but some of this are just utterly nonsensical and make me doubt if he really believes that or not. Like 50% Freeza at Semi Cell's level... I mean, really? I don't know how anyone can argue that with a straight face.

Well, that's a different debate entirely but I can argue that perfectly with both manga feats and numbers. I know it's not the most common point of view on the series, but I think that analysing the manga and sticking to all the facts it's the most reasonable option (at least, it's to me).

Freeza also being over a million initially seems also the better option. Vegeta was already expecting Freeza to gain some power with his transformation, and if he initially was just at 600k Vegeta's and co. reactions wouldn't make a lick of sense.

Well, you're assuming that his power went from 530k to 600k. But considering that Freezer's main drawback was his lack of stamina and that after his confrontation with Vegeta Freezer wasn't tired while Vegeta was, I think its safe to say that he didn't attack with 530k but with 300k, 400k at best.
On the other hand, as KyuubiAhri already said, those 600k were just an example. He could've started at 700k or even 800k for example (from there to 1 million + there's still a huge margin to cover when you consider that a 10% increase -from 800k to 880k for example- is already big in terms of Dragon Ball).
But it feels completely unnatural for Freezer to give a lower number than what he can do considering he:
1. Was bragging about his power (which would make giving only the initial suppressed strength to go against the purpose of what he was intending to do).
2. He initially didn't have any intention to power up (he only did after Gohan enraged or Piccolo forced him to).
3. We already have a scene of him doing the exact same in his weakest form (giving his max power, then proceeding to fight without using it all).