50% MSSJ Goku vs Warm Up MSSJ Goku

[ahill1]

P, can you make a quick breakdown showing why 50% should be >> warm up? I'd like to see.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

You can't have a warm up fight in your 50% of power.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Why P? Am i not good enough?
Everyone knew Goku was warming up against Cell, whereas they had previously been impressed by his 50% power up.

 

[Zippy]

Cell admitted to being weaker than trunks ssjg3 when he claimed to be warming up yet 50% mssj goku seemed stronger than ssjg3 trunks judging by his shock.
Despite that warming up goku was on par with warming up cell

 

[ahill1]

Honestly there are good points for both sides. I pretty much know all of the points both sides of the opinions will bring up. Could go either way,

 

[p123]

Withheld you should do the breakdown but you might bitch about having to do work. It ain't a school project but you should know your role. Anyway, guess ahill gotta do every fucking thing. You got the juice now ahill, you might as well do another stellar breakdown. You also need to do a post where you break down all of these issues, excellent work ahill, shitty work withheld, get to fucking work like ahill is doing and make yourself fucking useful.

Ahill, do your best to prove 50% Goku > Warm Up Goku even if you don't believe it and I will add what's missing.

 

[p123]

Fucking mods better start organizing these gangster posts and save them or I'm going to have to start my own god damn shjit bastards

 

[ahill1]

I will do it later, right after watching this incredible volleyball match.

 

[p123]

Volleyball girls are fucking hot.

 

[p123]

Also get your ass back into 22nd Budokai discussion you bastard.

 

[SSJ2]

Just make a topic in The Laboratory to archive your posts, I've done it for some of mine: http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=187&hilit=ssj+post+archive

 

[p123]

Very good idea.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, those girls are really tall (I like tall girls haha). Will do it tomorrow P, I am with my brothers' tablet right now and it's pretty shit to make posts. When I get my own tablet tomorrow I will do a whole breakdown, laying the points of both sides of the coin :wink:

 

[ahill1]

First I'll present the 50% >>> warming up side of the coin:

First we have everyone's reactions towards Goku's power. Reactions aren't very telling, but it's still something pointing out towards 50% Goku's power:

Trunks probably didn't even know it was Goku, yet suddenly feeling such chi sure amazed him (still his reaction is showed within a panel). It also aggravated Vegeta's will into training another year in the RoSaT. You could also make a case for 50% Goku >>> Goku (Vegeta's estimations) >>> Vegeta, considering Goku already had told Vegeta he is far above him and yet Vegeta was impressed with said power.

It's also worthy note that Goku has an aura initially, while he was powering up, although such was not showed when Karin begged him to stop (maybe Goku began to power down there? Dunno).

I remember the eyes argument was once brought up by Pakl, in which 50% Goku has clearly a "more serious eyes" than warm up Goku, whose eyes aren't so intense, albeit not so round as they were when Goku suddenly exited the RoSaT. For clarification:

~ 50% Goku

~ warm up Goku

~ resting state Goku


So we have three different types of eyes.


And now comes the most logical explanation: Goku pretty much told everyone that the power Cell used against Vegeta and Trunks wasn't his all. He says "Dunno how strong he might become when he is down to business", which clearly indicates Cell had yet a good deal of power to reveal. Vegeta also probably knew about that due to Cell stating he'd be a "only a tittle bit serious" now:

Chapter: 383 (DBZ 189), P12.4, P14.4
Context: after Vegeta tells perfect Cell to fight seriously
Cell: “Well, just a little bit then…”
*Vegeta kicks him, to no effect*
Cell: “Fuffuffuh…’Super Vegeta’, huh?...”


Then, when Goku shows his full power, everyone doesn't immeadiately realize he has more to show. If Cell (expected) is >>> warm up Cell and 50% Goku can possibly be his full power, then Goku 50% being = warm up isn't possible. Goku says he won't know until he tries, but "he probably doesn't have a chance". So I think the warriors were expecting Goku to be somewhat close to expected Cell.

Right, you could say Goku's line of "I probably can't win" can be seen under a "I dunno how strong Cell is, but if I had to make a guess, it would be..." and therefore the uncertainty from Goku comes from him not knowing how strong Cell would be, rather than them being close in power, but I have my own counter for that too :wink:

 

[p123]

Have to include Piccolo and Goku's conversation.

 

[ahill1]

Goku and Piccolo's convo just tells us Cell is even stronger than the Cell who they already expected to be above warm up Cell.

 

[p123]

But how does Piccolo know that?

 

[ahill1]

Dunno. He is a smart man, should have realized in his RoSaT trip.

 

[ahill1]

Piccolo also knew how Goku and Freeza were hiding a lot of power in their fight, so he has shown to be a perceptive man. He probably thinks "there's no reason for Goku to have showed all his power yet".

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I think their reactions pretty much says it all. SSG3 Trunks's power is out of the picture once Buff Cell and Goku powered up.