50% MSSJ Goku vs Warm Up MSSJ Goku

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Agreed Fearless.

Ahill, Piccolo and co. have to be basing their perceptions of Cell's power off of Goku. They have no idea how strong Cell can be, they just look at Goku and think, well Cell is probably a bit stronger than that. Imo of course. But it's a good one.
 

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SSG3 power was outta the picture well before that
 

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SSG3 was out as soon as Cell started making fun of Trunks lol
 

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When Trunks is sensing Goku, I feel he is saying, Holy shit this is even stronger than my fake ass stupidly powerful power.
 

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ahill1 said:
First I'll present the 50% >>> warming up side of the coin:

First we have everyone's reactions towards Goku's power. Reactions aren't very telling, but it's still something pointing out towards 50% Goku's power:

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Trunks probably didn't even know it was Goku, yet suddenly feeling such chi sure amazed him (still his reaction is showed within a panel). It also aggravated Vegeta's will into training another year in the RoSaT. You could also make a case for 50% Goku >>> Goku (Vegeta's estimations) >>> Vegeta, considering Goku already had told Vegeta he is far above him and yet Vegeta was impressed with said power.

It's also worthy note that Goku has an aura initially, while he was powering up, although such was not showed when Karin begged him to stop (maybe Goku began to power down there? Dunno).

I remember the eyes argument was once brought up by Pakl, in which 50% Goku has clearly a "more serious eyes" than warm up Goku, whose eyes aren't so intense, albeit not so round as they were when Goku suddenly exited the RoSaT. For clarification:

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~ 50% Goku

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~ warm up Goku

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~ resting state Goku


So we have three different types of eyes.


And now comes the most logical explanation: Goku pretty much told everyone that the power Cell used against Vegeta and Trunks wasn't his all. He says "Dunno how strong he might become when he is down to business", which clearly indicates Cell had yet a good deal of power to reveal. Vegeta also probably knew about that due to Cell stating he'd be a "only a tittle bit serious" now:


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Chapter: 383 (DBZ 189), P12.4, P14.4
Context: after Vegeta tells perfect Cell to fight seriously
Cell: “Well, just a little bit then…”
*Vegeta kicks him, to no effect*
Cell: “Fuffuffuh…’Super Vegeta’, huh?...”



Then, when Goku shows his full power, everyone doesn't immeadiately realize he has more to show. If Cell (expected) is >>> warm up Cell and 50% Goku can possibly be his full power, then Goku 50% being = warm up isn't possible. Goku says he won't know until he tries, but "he probably doesn't have a chance". So I think the warriors were expecting Goku to be somewhat close to expected Cell.

Right, you could say Goku's line of "I probably can't win" can be seen under a "I dunno how strong Cell is, but if I had to make a guess, it would be..." and therefore the uncertainty from Goku comes from him not knowing how strong Cell would be, rather than them being close in power, but I have my own counter for that too :wink:
Actually resting Goku and warm up Goku have the same eyes and power... Dnt know why people argue over it... Here is my breaksown about how 50% Goku compares to SSjinG3 Trunks


http://w11.zetaboards.com/DragonBallZeta/topic/11180614/1/
 

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p123 said:
When Trunks is sensing Goku, I feel he is saying, Holy shit this is even stronger than my fake ass stupidly powerful power.

but do u know
 

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Yep, I asked him. His asshole puckered up and he admitted inferiority to me, just like Goku.
 

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Kyouks, you think resting state Goku is piss weak right?
 

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Resting state Goku is nothing compared to anyone.
 

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This resting state nonsense is baloney. This is like saying his base state is piss weak. There are levels to this shit. When he goes all out in Base it's the same as going all out in Resting State. He has an range of power he can access you jabronis.
 

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Vegeta only admitted inferiority when Goku powered up to 50%. He was pretty surprised when Goku said how much above Vegeta he is, so Vegeta should be > resting state.
 

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They are clearly suppressed, why is this so hard to see?
 

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So the Goku who fought Cell isn't resting state right?
 

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If he was in a resting state, he wouldn't be fighting. He'd just be...doing nothing.
 

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Jesus Christ, of course it is. Warm Up Goku = Max Resting State Goku
 

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Max resting state? How strong is his max resting state? How did you determine that?
 

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As far as we can see, Goku's Max Resting State is his Warm Up Level. That's the highest he shows us.
 
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