50% MSSJ Goku vs Warm Up MSSJ Goku

[Kyo]

Lemme guess. 50% >>> Base Cell therefore Estimated FP >>> 50%.

If 50% ~ Base Cell, contradiction. Yes?

 

[ahill1]

- No it doesn't. What if Karin told him to stop earlier? Does that move the goalpost?

When Karin told him to stop he was still at 50%. He intended to power up more, but he didn't. But he still powered up to 50%, showing he had to power up to access that level of power. Weren't you saying his resting state is piss weak? Then he obviously had to power up to reach a power house like 50%.

- "It is also important to note that he started 'powering up' from his 'resting state.'"

Hmm, so your 2nd point is dependant of the 1st one, huh?

 

[Kyo]

His resting state in base is also piss weak but he doesn't have to power up to reach FP there. Nor does he ever have to in SSJ in any other instance after the Cell Games. I could be a real cunt and bring fallacies into this if I wanted. "Goku did x while doing y, therefore he cannot do x without doing y." What would that be, KP?

No, not really.

 

[ahill1]

Lemme guess. 50% >>> Base Cell therefore Estimated FP >>> 50%.

If 50% ~ Base Cell, contradiction. Yes?

Estimate Full Power not too far off from 50% :wink:

 

[p123]

Exactly Kyo. You can cry all you want about this Resting State nonsense, at the end of the day, 50% Goku > Warm Up Goku because 50% Goku could possibly be his full power, whereas we know Warm Up Cell is nowhere near his full power.

 

[Zippy]

What hes trying to say is what of karin told him to stop by the time he had only hit 25% or something would that mean he has to power up to 25 too?

 

[p123]

All of this is semantics. The main point is that 50% Goku >> Warm Up Goku. And that's that. Explaining why that's the case is up to the imagination. Having difficulty in explaining it does not mean it simply isn't so, you need to try another angle to explain it, but those are the facts. 50% Goku >> Warm Up Goku is just the way the story was written. You don't like it, too fucking bad.

 

[ahill1]

His resting state in base is also piss weak but he doesn't have to power up to reach FP there. Nor does he ever have to in SSJ in any other instance after the Cell Games. I could be a real cunt and bring fallacies into this if I wanted. "Goku did x while doing y, therefore he cannot do x without doing y." What would that be, KP?

He doesn't have or isn't shown like a power up? Different things.

No, not really.

Your 1st point was that resting state isn't the one in which he fought Cell initially. You say he 'powered up' from his resting state and then you said you could just say he has to power up to reach Vegeta SSJG2 level... conclusion: resting state < Grade 2.

 

[ahill1]

What hes trying to say is what of karin told him to stop by the time he had only hit 25% or something would that mean he has to power up to 25 too?

If his resting state is piss weak, then sure.

 

[Kyo]

Exactly Kyo. You can cry all you want about this Resting State nonsense, at the end of the day, 50% Goku > Warm Up Goku because 50% Goku could possibly be his full power, whereas we know Warm Up Cell is nowhere near his full power.

Well that's fine. There's a reason I didn't address this. I would probably question how long they thought 50% was possibly FP if I were to argue against but I dunno.

His resting state in base is also piss weak but he doesn't have to power up to reach FP there. Nor does he ever have to in SSJ in any other instance after the Cell Games. I could be a real cunt and bring fallacies into this if I wanted. "Goku did x while doing y, therefore he cannot do x without doing y." What would that be, KP?

He doesn't have or isn't shown like a power up? Different things.

No, not really.

Your 1st point was that resting state isn't the one in which he fought Cell initially. You say he 'powered up' from his resting state and then you said you could just say he has to power up to reach Vegeta SSJG2 level... conclusion: resting state < Grade 2.

When I refer to "powering up" I'm referring to it the same way p does -- a visible and somewhat lengthy power-up.

Second point doesn't rely on the first there. That conclusion comes before either of those two points.

 

[p123]

Here's what I think happened.

Goku says ok, I'm going to power up. As he begins to power up, he ramps up his energy from 5 or whatever and ramps it up to Cell's Base Level nearly instantly, then he begins powering up from there.

That is the simplest answer.

 

[Kyo]

Simple but baseless. That's what I'm trying to say. You've already concluded that 50% >> Warmup elsewhere, so that's fine. In Pakl's case, it's not.

 

[p123]

Until you can dispute that Kyo, you are wasting your time. So instead of wasting everyone's time by bringing up how the mechanics of powering up is flawed, try and further the conversation.

 

[Kyo]

Kyouks, you think resting state Goku is piss weak right?

It all started here, don't blame me now. I was trying to help the poor boy.

 

[p123]

No one has been able to counter 50% Goku >> Warm Up Goku, so I'm not aware of Pakl or anyone else being able to dispute it because I've tried and I can't dispute it. So Pakl, you or whoever else who thinks they can change the standard, come forth and show us.

 

[p123]

Also, it's not baseless at all Kyo.

If we know 50% Goku >> Warm Up Goku then...

We know Warm Up Goku is his maximum power he can reach without powering up...

 

[ahill1]

Second point doesn't rely on the first there. That conclusion comes before either of those two points.

Yeah maybe not in the 1st point, but it relies on resting state < grade 2.

 

[Kyo]

Well never mind that p, it doesn't matter now.

"Can you beat Cell?"

Goku: "Probably not."

"Wtf shit"

Goku powers up -- does their perception on Goku change? I don't think it did.

 

[ahill1]

P, the 50% >> warm up relies mostly on everyone thinking 50% Goku was his full power, right? But is that set in stone?

 

[Kyo]

On the day of the Games it's not.