50% MSSJ Goku vs Warm Up MSSJ Goku
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p123 said:
"Resting state" is one of said levels. Not something with levels of its own. This is an issue of semantics but it matters if people are gonna spout stuff like "he fought Cell in his resting state." That doesn't even make sense.
And no you don't have to "power up" (by which I assume you mean visibly power up and make a show of it for several seconds) to use Super Saiyan's full power. The "need to power up" is inconsistent.
"He can now do this with lower portions of his Super Saiyan power" -- whereas before he could do it with...the upper portions?
"Saiyans haven't had to power up to access full base power in quite some time" -- they never have. Except when they do.
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It ain't 0 man. I dunno what number it is but it's whatever number he's at when he's fishing and stuff. They call it "an ordinary, everyday level." That just means he can treat SSJ like he can his base state (which is of course why he chills in that state for 10 days). He can treat it as though it were his natural state all along.
Again, it's largely semantics, but when you've got guys like pakl saying shit like "he stayed in his resting state for 10 days then fought Cell at that level," you gotta sort that shit out.
Again, it's largely semantics, but when you've got guys like pakl saying shit like "he stayed in his resting state for 10 days then fought Cell at that level," you gotta sort that shit out.
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My question is: why the fuck would Goku fight Cell with his base power?
His resting state was essentially his base power, an ordinary level he could go throughout the day with. He'd have to be a complete idiot to be fighting Cell with that kind of power.
His resting state was essentially his base power, an ordinary level he could go throughout the day with. He'd have to be a complete idiot to be fighting Cell with that kind of power.
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In my point of view, there have been 2 major problems with approaching this topic that have yet to be let go of to this day:
1) The notion that the level he was at for the 10 day wait is the same level he fought Cell at. This viewpoint has been mostly abandoned, but if I understand his argument correctly, Pakl uses this logic to determine Warm-up Goku's level. This is almost as silly as the "he stayed at 50% for 10 days so that's what he used against Cell" argument that was commonplace years ago, in my opinion.
2) Goku visibly powering up. It is important to note that when Goku powered up at Karin's, he was intending to show off his full power. It is also important to note that he started "powering up" from his "resting state." The conclusion that he "has to power up to reach 50%" cannot be drawn from this scene alone. Know why? Because then I can use the scene to argue that he has to "power up" to reach the same level as fucking SSG2 Vegeta.
This isn't even getting into the fact that powering up is only ever used when Toriyama wants to make a big show of someone's power. It's only ever a talking point for this topic, you ever notice that? There are several instances in the Boo arc of Saiyans powering up to full without "powering up" and no one bats an eye, for example. This point, in particular, is what seals the deal, and on a sidenote, this post is proof that my writing habits have not improved at all because I should've mentioned this point first.
1) The notion that the level he was at for the 10 day wait is the same level he fought Cell at. This viewpoint has been mostly abandoned, but if I understand his argument correctly, Pakl uses this logic to determine Warm-up Goku's level. This is almost as silly as the "he stayed at 50% for 10 days so that's what he used against Cell" argument that was commonplace years ago, in my opinion.
2) Goku visibly powering up. It is important to note that when Goku powered up at Karin's, he was intending to show off his full power. It is also important to note that he started "powering up" from his "resting state." The conclusion that he "has to power up to reach 50%" cannot be drawn from this scene alone. Know why? Because then I can use the scene to argue that he has to "power up" to reach the same level as fucking SSG2 Vegeta.
This isn't even getting into the fact that powering up is only ever used when Toriyama wants to make a big show of someone's power. It's only ever a talking point for this topic, you ever notice that? There are several instances in the Boo arc of Saiyans powering up to full without "powering up" and no one bats an eye, for example. This point, in particular, is what seals the deal, and on a sidenote, this post is proof that my writing habits have not improved at all because I should've mentioned this point first.
