A Good Boo vs Vegeta Ssj2 Comparison

[kriss-]

I find that it make sense. He wants to see the form 'with his own eyes', as opposed to sensing it from the Otherworld, I don't see a problem with that at all.

He's stronger than he 'imagined' because the previous power level had been surpassed to a huge degree.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Seeing things from the afterlife but being in-able to sense them, causes a major contradiction to me. The only way for Vegeta to 'see', is to 'sense'.

You don’t know what he was informed of in the afterlife, or how long he had his body back before release. All it takes it someone with a crystal ball to say "Hey Vegeta, before we let you go, check this shit out and see what you missed."

 

[kriss-]

Seeing things from the afterlife but being in-able to sense them, causes a major contradiction to me. The only way for Vegeta to 'see', is to 'sense'.

You don’t know what he was informed of in the afterlife, or how long he had his body back before release. All it takes it someone with a crystal ball to say "Hey Vegeta, before we let you go, check this shit out and see what you missed."

Yet we have nothing to support that is so. So we're back to square 1.

 

[Pyro]

He "sensed" people doing physical movements for Fusion? That doesn't make sense, no pun intended.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Seeing things from the afterlife but being in-able to sense them, causes a major contradiction to me. The only way for Vegeta to 'see', is to 'sense'.

You don’t know what he was informed of in the afterlife, or how long he had his body back before release. All it takes it someone with a crystal ball to say "Hey Vegeta, before we let you go, check this shit out and see what you missed."

Yet we have nothing to support that is so. So we're back to square 1.

No, you are at square one. Because it doesn't work for you. There is nothing to support either view, so pick your poison.

But I'll give you a chance. How does someone with no body sense from the afterlife?

 

[kriss-]

He "sensed" people doing physical movements for Fusion? That doesn't make sense, no pun intended.

He senses what's going on and it paints a picture for him. If a Z-Fighter senses said events its simply contradictory that he couldn't sense the levels of what he's looking at. Heck, he wouldn't even know what to look for or where to look, considering the Earth is a huge place. Reasoning begs that Vegeta sensed Goku Ssj3 but was blown away from what he sensed, his own predetermined power level for Goku and what was demonstrated during the fight with Kid Boo.

How does someone with no body see what's going on? If you have some way to prove that I'd like some evidence to support it.

From my POV it's simply still 'Vegeta' in control of whatever he was without a body. I've seen no evidence saying one needs a body other-wise they lose all their abilities they had with it. Sensing seems to be more or less a mental action as opposed to a physical one.

 

[Pyro]

He "sensed" people doing physical movements for Fusion? That doesn't make sense, no pun intended.

He senses what's going on and it paints a picture for him. If a Z-Fighter senses said events its simply contradictory that he couldn't sense the levels of what he's looking at. Heck, he wouldn't even know what to look for or where to look, considering the Earth is a huge place. Reasoning begs that Vegeta sensed Goku Ssj3 but was blown away from what he sensed, his own predetermined power level for Goku and what was demonstrated during the fight with Kid Boo.

How does someone with no body see what's going on? If you have some way to prove that I'd like some evidence to support it.

From my POV it's simply still 'Vegeta' in control of whatever he was without a body. I've seen no evidence saying one needs a body other-wise they lose all their abilities they had with it. Sensing seems to be more or less a mental action as opposed to a physical one.

Hell, if you have evidence that spirit clouds can sense things, that'd be dandy to see too. :huh:

 

[Southern Gothic]

How does someone with no body see what's going on? If you have some way to prove that I'd like some evidence to support it.

From my POV it's simply still 'Vegeta' in control of whatever he was without a body. I've seen no evidence saying one needs a body other-wise they lose all their abilities they had with it. Sensing seems to be more or less a mental action as opposed to a physical one.

I'm not sure why I have to prove anything. I asked your opinion on the matter, and your answer is to tell me to prove the question I posed. What is that about.

Oh. Wait. I see what your doing. Slick stuff. Just answer my question with a question. It's an older debate tactic, but I guess it checks out.

For my part, you want me to prove how someone without a brain can perform what you refer to as a "mental action". Well, I'm going to go off the deep end here and pose the idea that a mental action requires a brain, and to have a brain, you must have a body. And if you are a spirit cloud, you have no body.

So that's my end of it. All that crazy anatomy jazz.

 

[Kyo]

How does someone with no body see what's going on? If you have some way to prove that I'd like some evidence to support it.

They can not only see, but they can hear and speak as well.

I'd be more baffled at a soul that can sense than one that can see, anyway.

 

[p123]

Poor Tosh... Let's see how far his denial goes lol

 

[Zoom]

My memory is a little cloudy, but didn't Yemma intervene and save Vegeta's body?

 

[kriss-]

Vegeta would need to have some sort of a conscious or self awareness to be able to even know what he's looking at; aka a mental capacity to some degree. With that comes Chi sensing and everything else. To say he doesn't possess the former is just an attempt to make a mess of things without actually adhering to common sense.

 

[Pyro]

Enma gave Vegeta a new body, but we don't know exactly when. Presumably it was right before we actually see him appear again at the check-in station.

 

[Kyo]

Vegeta would need to have some sort of a conscious or self awareness to be able to even know what he's looking at; aka a mental capacity to some degree. With that comes Chi sensing and everything else.

I disagree. The entire human population possesses that, yet only a select few can sense chi, or even use chi altogether. Hell, there are people who can use chi quite well but still can't sense it (Freeza). You're going to have to prove that Vegeta can do...literally anything with chi, without his body.

To say he doesn't possess the former is just an attempt to make a mess of things without actually adhering to common sense.

The irony here is palpable.

 

[Pyro]

Clouds seeing or clouds sensing?

 

[kriss-]

Vegeta clearly states he saw everything unfolding from The Other-World. If he could see everything then he can clearly sense it as well, it's just not logical to argue that he cannot.

If we still don't see eye to eye then we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Toriyama having Vegeta state such a thing is possibly him trying to use that Goku was definitely strongest at the end of the Arc. Hence why he has Vegeta say something similar in Dragonball Super.

 

[Pyro]

That's a very hasty assumption, but whatever. I know for a fact he didn't see everything.

 

[Papasmurf]

Wasn't it Goku who had to remind him Bulma's been swallowed by Boo? That establishes he didn't see everything then and there.

 

[Pyro]

Wasn't it Goku who had to remind him Bulma's been swallowed by Boo? That establishes he didn't see everything then and there.

He saw it all "unfolding," I presume.

 

[Kyo]

Vegeta clearly states he saw everything unfolding from The Other-World. If he could see everything then he can clearly sense it as well, it's just not logical to argue that he cannot.

If we still don't see eye to eye then we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Toriyama having Vegeta state such a thing is possibly him trying to use that Goku was definitely strongest at the end of the Arc. Hence why he has Vegeta say something similar in Dragonball Super.

Just a while ago you were asking for evidence that Vegeta could physically see. I think you've lost the right to (essentially) say "it's obvious" (I can't figure out another way to word it that doesn't sound so grave at the moment). I gave you the proof you asked for that shows he can see, now I'm asking for proof that he can sense. Give and take. Seems fair.

I even have an implication that he can't: he was shocked by Goku's SSJ3 despite having stated before that he'd seen it. So not only have I logically assumed that he cannot sense without a body, I have a statement that seems to lean towards that direction as well. You can see why I'd need hard evidence or at least another implication to be swayed the other way.

All Toriyama had to do to show that was include the Goku is #1 speech. He could have Vegeta be fully aware of Goku's power and still do that. He chose to do it differently, so I can only conclude that there's more to the scene than Goku being awesome.

Of course, I'm all for agreeing to disagree too. Up to you.