A Good Matchup

[Goddess Ultimecia]

New match up?

 

[Satsuki]

Sure, leh go

 

[Goddess Ultimecia]

I mean, I already got my pick up there.

 

[Satsuki]

Well I don't know anything about that

 

[Goddess Ultimecia]

Well I don't know anything about that

U dun know aboot muh Ultimecia?

 

[Satsuki]

Newp

 

[Goddess Ultimecia]

Newp

Gotsa getchu upta speed den.

Disclaimer here, I will do the first part of this soon. But, let me explain why as short as possible. Ultimecia isn't simply the villain we see at the end of the third desk, she had actually made a foothold earlier through Sorceress Edea, Sorceress Rinoa, and then Sorceress Adel. For that reason, Ultimecia's respect thread is actually four seperate respect threads combined since she has all the sorceress power from those three as well as every other sorceress in history.

I'm putting this here so as to remind myself once I get some rest to do this. Also the first part will be the first three sorceresses I mentioned. The second part will be Ultimecia herself. I'll get rid of the non-vital info here once I get the first part here so as to lessen how much wordage is in this thread. Apparently people don't like walls of text lol.

Sorceress Edea

https://www.youtube.com/v/Q3gO-tKNUTI

-3:30 Edea casts a spell that forces Quistis to her knees.
-4:28 Edea casts a rather broad spell that freezes the rest of the party in place until she leaves
-4:35 Edea's spell seems to allow her to phase through walls and be transported to a different location. It would also seem she's able to allow others to use this as well.

https://www.youtube.com/v/hMwtj_PsKrA

-0:10 Edea is seen phasing through solid matter like a ghost.
-1:08 Every single resident of Deling City is entirely under her control through a fascination spell as the Ultimania has suggested. Rinoa too seems to be in a state of control, the lone man next to the podium is the president of Galbadia, Edea does the equivalent of force choking the fuck out of him, then tossing his body to the side like trash after her speech
-1:29 Edea nonchalantly gives life to inanimate objects
-3:00 The stubborn and not much of a giver of fucks (except when he was denied entry into SeeD) Seifer has been taken control of.
-4:25 (This video is done in debug mode so character models not in FMV are not shown, the person supposed to be shown here is Irvine Kinneas, the best sharpshooter in Galbadia Garden, in here he is using a sniper rifle) Stops a bullet in its tracks after it's been fired.
-5:20 A low tier superhuman like Squall is pierced by her blizzara spell and the ground mysteriously is gone. No one knows where it went... like... I don't know if we should count Edea being responsible for that.
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-Under Edea's command/control Seifer apparently improved significantly.

https://www.youtube.com/v/QCSGRSkzvpE

-58:40 Rinoa is put into a state reminiscent of a coma due to Edea forcibly passing her powers to Rinoa.

Sorceress Rinoa and Adel (w/ some Ultimecia tidbits)

https://www.youtube.com/v/nKXkVWlEqP0

-25:21 Rinoa after awakening from her coma, is capable of putting a repulsive aura about her that throws people on their asses. A little further and a medical staff comments about Rinoa's strength being unbelievable, so it is either a repulsive aura or Rinoa is flexing some serious physical strength and speed that is fast enough that we can't even see her move.
-34:38 Adel is just so cool here... She's also in the vacuum of space, without a suit.
-43:13 Ultimecia is full on aware of when someone is also having their consciousness being in the past.
A little background info on Adel, she was the one that lead the Sorceress War, a war that had Esthar pitted against the rest of the world.

Still have quite a bit to do on there, but based on that do you think you can come up with someone to go against her?

 

[Satsuki]

So like whats the extent to her abilities here? She can phase through stuff, force choke, badass aura, freeze people somehow, and what else?

But if I'm understanding correctly, I should definitely be able to get someone who can take her on

 

[Goddess Ultimecia]

So like whats the extent to her abilities here? She can phase through stuff, force choke, badass aura, freeze people somehow, and what else?

But if I'm understanding correctly, I should definitely be able to get someone who can take her on

Typically she phases through walls to other destinations, although I figure she could do the same to any stationary rather large object. The Force Choke took about ten seconds or so to kill the President, the freezing lasted for the better part of a minute or two, the badass aura sent everybody flying off their feet roughly a few dozen feet away. When it comes to what else you'll have to point out what in specific you need pointed out.

 

[SSJ3 Gothic]

Stand aside, noobs. I've dealt with this fiend once before. Let's show this prehistoric bitch how we do thind downtown.

I summon Mr. Myxyzptlk

Mr. Myxyzptlk is an imp who was born of the fifth dimension, and he has a slew of unimaginable powers to go along with his out of this world origin. He was concieved as a rival to Superman, who Mr. Myxyzptlk spends most of his time trying to torment and annoy. It's been stated more than once that Myxyzptlk has the power to destroy Superman if he so desired. The reason he does not do so is boredom, as he views his battles with the Man of Steel as the only form of entertainment he has.

Unlike most super villains, Myxyzptlk does not use physical violence to fight Superman. Instead, he poses intellectual challenges and puzzles that are meant to annoy and agitate his opponents. Though most often portrayed merely as a pest, the true powers of Mr. Mxyzptlk are some of the greatest there is. In addition to being able to utterly remove Superman from all reality, he is capable of destroying multiverse and all space and time as was stated by The Spectre and himself when the infamous event known as Emperor Joker took place.

Only beings of the utmost power have been shown to be able to handle Mr. Myxyzptlk, such as Lucifer himself. As of now, the only way to defeat Myxyzptlk is to trick him into saying his own name backwards, which sends him back to the 5th dimension for 90 days, until he regains the enough force to return.

A quick list of his known powers/abilities:
Agility
Astral Projection
Blast Power
Chameleon
Cosmic Awareness
Density Control
Dimensional Manipulation
Duplication
Elasticity
Energy-Enhanced Strike
Fire Control
Flight
Force Field
Genetic Manipulation
Gravity control
Healing
Ice Control
Immortal
Invulnerability
Levitation
Longevity
Magic
Necromancy
Phasing / Ghost
Power Mimicry
Reality Manpulation
Shape Shifter
Telekinesis
Teleport
Time Manipulation
Time Travel
Voice-induced Manipulation
Weather Control
Willpower-Based Constructs

 

[Goddess Ultimecia]

Dayum, all that is definitely fearsome, maybe even too much for Ultimecia... if perhaps Mr. Myxyzptlk wasn't so keen on being an idiot half the time, oh yes, I'm bringing in his personality. He'd much rather prefer fucking around and doing mental looparounds and riddles than actually going for the kill, which I feel he would almost certainly do here. The issue? HAHAHA! You're dealing with Ultimecia, who created an elaborate plan to absorb half of Hyne, the universe's creator through time travel, mind manipulation, the manipulation of emotions and memories. I would dare say she's a step above Superman in the intelligence department. Even if Mxy decided to go through time, he would also meet her there, and he would still have to interact with her through there. The thing is, he's rarely if ever has had to deal with someone who could apply mental pressure of the caliber that Ultimecia can, a person who mind you was only stopped through the combined power of Love, Friendship, and Fate. Now certainly, Mr. Mxy can change the very definitions of those three to suit his purpose, but would he? Outside of when you fuck with his power, he doesn't do it. He's also dealing with someone who can read his thoughts and give them physical form, as a rather funny character with some rather funny gags, how does he deal with his worst fear being given physical incarnation? What if Ultimecia enlists that being under her control? Becomes an amalgamation of that being? He's also dealing with an equally immortal being.

What I'm trying to say here is Mr. Mxy's nature will not allow him to kill Ultimecia, just toy with her until she eventually finds out what to do, and I have great faith that she will know what to do.

 

[SSJ3 Gothic]

I have no beef with using his personality here. It's what gets him beat all the time. However, the problem has never been figuring out what to do. Mr. Mxyzptlk has always been very open about the ways to defeat him. It's a matter of whether or not they can be properly employed, given the specifics.

A few challenges. First, Mr. Myxyzptlk is immune to time manipulation. It was once attempted to go back in time to undo the damage he had done, but this was found to be impossible. I dare say that these two remain even on time manipulation.

Second, non of the abilities listed are actually super powers. Everything he can do is actually aided by technology. Non of it is actually magic, just 5th dimension tech that appears to us as magic because of its sophistication. So there will be no stealing of powers by Ultimecia, since they are not naturally his own.

I do not know how he would act if his worst fears were brought forth. I would argue this by way of technically. Have you ever seen Ultimecia probe the mind of an incorporeal being? I say this because, for all purposes, Myxyzptlk is not a human. He really doesn't even have a brain, at least one of flesh and tissue. Can she navigate that sort of mind, one which may exist on a higher plane?

Lastly, Myxy does have a wife, so love isn't out of the question.

 

[Goddess Ultimecia]

A few challenges. First, Mr. Myxyzptlk is immune to time manipulation. It was once attempted to go back in time to undo the damage he had done, but this was found to be impossible. I dare say that these two remain even on time manipulation.

Fair enough

Second, non of the abilities listed are actually super powers. Everything he can do is actually aided by technology. Non of it is actually magic, just 5th dimension tech that appears to us as magic because of its sophistication. So there will be no stealing of powers by Ultimecia, since they are not naturally his own.

That is problematic. But it is possible she could influence the tech, if her experience with Trauma is anything to go by.

~Trauma's Scan

"Ultimecia gave partial life to this weapon of the future. Pulse Cannon destroys any enemies in its way."

It is also worth noting that she has created life based off the features of a being, this is shown with Tri-Point.

~Tri-Point's Scan

"A living weapon Ultimecia made out of a dragon. Fire or ice are its weak points, but they change when attacked."

I do not know how he would act if his worst fears were brought forth. I would argue this by way of technically. Have you ever seen Ultimecia probe the mind of an incorporeal being? I say this because, for all purposes, Myxyzptlk is not a human. He really doesn't even have a brain, at least one of flesh and tissue. Can she navigate that sort of mind, one which may exist on a higher plane?

~FF8 Tutorial Menu

"A GF is an independent energy force. By combining it with para-magic, it is possible to control tremendous energy. Memory loss is a possible side effect, but this has not been proven as of yet."

^This is further supported by the fact that GFs literally can become something that takes up space in your brain, they're not corporeal unless they are in a physical form... that said... I must bring up Tiamat, a former Guardian Force who was corrupted by Ultimecia into serving her.

~Tiamat's Scan

"Used to be a GF. Became a monster under Ultimecia's power. Its Dark Flare destroys all enemies."

For higher planes, she did recruit Sorceresses from beyond Space/Time if that accounts for anything.

 

[SSJ3 Gothic]

We've got a pretty set match here.

A few quick points from wiki:

Though the exact limits of Mr. Mxyzptlk's powers are unknown, his power apparently dwarfs that of even third-dimension cosmic beings. During Grant Morrison's Justice League run, the higher-dimensional nature of Mxyzptlk's fellow genies was played to its logical conclusion of possessing power 'two degrees of infinity' higher than any normal beings; one being describes Myxyzptlk as encompassing both time and hypertime in addition to our spatial dimensions. Later, during the Emperor Joker storyline, this is expanded upon: the Joker, possessing the same powers, is able to unweave the very fabric and laws of the cosmos, and render the less powerful than normal Hal Jordan Spectre into a deranged puppet, Mxyzptlk explaining that he has the power to do what the Joker is doing to the world but never uses it because he would run the risk of destroying reality from the strain he would be subjecting it to and thus leave himself with nothing to do the next day. 

Let's talk about Myxyzptlk. I'm going to challenge whether or not Ultimecia can get a real psychological advantage, as you posed. I would say no, at least not drastically. While Myxyzptlk may appear to be an oddball trickster, there is more to him than meets the eye. The following is from "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?"

"Did you honestly believe a fifthe-dimensional sorcerer would resemble a funny little man in a derby hat?" Myxyzptlk utters these words after revealing that he was the mastermind behind the events in this story. As he puts it, the hardest part of being immortal is trying to find a way to pass the time. He spent 2,000 years not breathing or moving, just to see if he could. After that, he spent 2000 years doing only good deeds. Following that, he became Mr Myxyzptlk. In truth, he is whatever he wants to be, and is a master manipulator in his own right.


I am not saying he is necessarily smarter than Ultimecia, but rather that she would have a very difficult time trying to exploit him via intelligence.

Let's move on to some more demonstrations of his powers. I want to point to the Emperor Joker storyline. In this, the Joker found a way to get Myxyzptlk's power (it can only he handed over voluntarily ). Once this happened, Joker was able to remake the entire Earth in his image, and did so in exactly 69 seconds. This should demonstrate a bit of how fast and influential these powers are.

I am also going to call in some help. Ultimecia has Griever and goons of the like. So does Myxyzptlk. After the Emperor Joker story, Myxyzptlk regained his powers, but decided to hide away some of the Joker's creations to call upon if ever needed. These include:

Scorch - Pyrokenetic and Teleporter

Gorgeously Gilly (don't ask)

Bizzaro Clone A nearly identical version of Bizzaro.

 

[Goddess Ultimecia]

Though the exact limits of Mr. Mxyzptlk's powers are unknown, his power apparently dwarfs that of even third-dimension cosmic beings. During Grant Morrison's Justice League run, the higher-dimensional nature of Mxyzptlk's fellow genies was played to its logical conclusion of possessing power 'two degrees of infinity' higher than any normal beings; one being describes Myxyzptlk as encompassing both time and hypertime in addition to our spatial dimensions. Later, during the Emperor Joker storyline, this is expanded upon: the Joker, possessing the same powers, is able to unweave the very fabric and laws of the cosmos, and render the less powerful than normal Hal Jordan Spectre into a deranged puppet, Mxyzptlk explaining that he has the power to do what the Joker is doing to the world but never uses it because he would run the risk of destroying reality from the strain he would be subjecting it to and thus leave himself with nothing to do the next day.

...that is worrying, but I don't think anything of that sort would be employed unless Ultimecia went Final Form. Time Compression is a non-factor here since Mr. Mxy don't give no fucks bout that shit.

Let's talk about Myxyzptlk. I'm going to challenge whether or not Ultimecia can get a real psychological advantage, as you posed. I would say no, at least not drastically. While Myxyzptlk may appear to be an oddball trickster, there is more to him than meets the eye. The following is from "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?"

"Did you honestly believe a fifthe-dimensional sorcerer would resemble a funny little man in a derby hat?" Myxyzptlk utters these words after revealing that he was the mastermind behind the events in this story. As he puts it, the hardest part of being immortal is trying to find a way to pass the time. He spent 2,000 years not breathing or moving, just to see if he could. After that, he spent 2000 years doing only good deeds. Following that, he became Mr Myxyzptlk. In truth, he is whatever he wants to be, and is a master manipulator in his own right.

Also very worrying, but the fact he puts himself into positions to get transported back does show that he's not entirely too bright, or he's a glutton for feeling empty. Either way.

I am not saying he is necessarily smarter than Ultimecia, but rather that she would have a very difficult time trying to exploit him via intelligence.

Certainly, but I was never arguing it would be a quick done and dry deal. And if I did then I apologize, but with Ultimecia having an immortal life-span this should give her some time at the very least to figure out how to get him to say his name backwards.

Let's move on to some more demonstrations of his powers. I want to point to the Emperor Joker storyline. In this, the Joker found a way to get Myxyzptlk's power (it can only he handed over voluntarily ). Once this happened, Joker was able to remake the entire Earth in his image, and did so in exactly 69 seconds. This should demonstrate a bit of how fast and influential these powers are.

Yet again very worrying and horrifying, but I don't think it'd get to the point that Mr. Mxy would do anything of that sort unless Ultimecia goes to the cosmic scale to try and deal with him.

I am also going to call in some help. Ultimecia has Griever and goons of the like. So does Myxyzptlk. After the Emperor Joker story, Myxyzptlk regained his powers, but decided to hide away some of the Joker's creations to call upon if ever needed. These include:

Scorch - Pyrokenetic and Teleporter

Gorgeously Gilly (don't ask)

Bizzaro Clone A nearly identical version of Bizzaro.

https://www.youtube.com/v/79ZCWLsmS4E

Griever solos lol. Magic+planets+asteroid+Earth's moon should do a bit more than knock Bizarro out considering Superman was knocked unconscious by two planets colliding into him. That said, you're going to have to give me some time for all of her other goons though. That requires a bit of scrounging and some possible recording of my own.

 

[Satsuki]

I missed out on this one. I'll jump in when you guys wrap this one up

 

[Goddess Ultimecia]

We can continue from where I left off Southern, I might revisit the points earlier if I manage to find some viable info on the beings you fight in her castle.

 

[SSJ3 Gothic]

Yeah I should have a retort soon as well. These two characters require some actual effort to research, for realz.

 

[Goddess Ultimecia]

Not sure if I should add Ultimecia's Dissidia incarnation into this as a composite or not.

 

[Crusher Ball]

Go for it. i love that game :wub: