Android 19 (post absorption) vs SSJ Goku (Yardrat)

[SSJ2]

Who wins? 19's ki absorbing abilities are not functional.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd honestly place #19's power prior to absorptions almost on Yardrat Goku's level, so he easily beats Goku post-absorptions unless Goku manages to hit him dead-on with a Shunkan Ido Kamehameha.

 

[SSJ2]

I'd honestly place #19's power prior to absorptions almost on Yardrat Goku's level, so he easily beats Goku post-absorptions unless Goku manages to hit him dead-on with a Shunkan Ido Kamehameha.

I know you don't believe in power gaps but 19 vs Goku didn't look all that different to Goku vs Jheese & Butta to me. 19 performed about as well as they did as a duo, but his durability was a large factor for not being one shotted. I'm not sure if it's necessary for him to be that strong pre absorption unless you have Sick SSJ Goku >>> Yardrat Goku.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I do believe in power gaps to some extent when it comes to feat comparisons, just not the idea that they're numerical absolutes when battle powers are far too inconsistent a metric to find a solid formula.

As you said, #19's durability is far different from Butta getting oneshotted, plus the comparison is more difficult to make when the latter involved two opponents offering far more openings for the defending party. #19 wasn't suggested to be particularly tanky either, so attributing his performance as purely his durability would be a stretch.
Regardless, my placement has less to do exclusively with his durability and more due to him likely being above the SSJ Trunks that killed Freeza when considering the statements of #19 and #20 not living up to the hype come with a lot of context to consider beyond how they compare to Trunks.

 

[SSJ2]

Fair enough, I can't really refute any of that. There are many ways to interpret how powerful they are, after all.

Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P7.4
Vegeta: “I’ve realized by watching your faint movements up to now…That you guys don’t seem as terrible as the rumors made out.”

Chapter: 347 (DBZ 153), P3.2-3
Piccolo: “It seems that in the original history, we were supposed to be wiped out by you two androids…But it looks like the future has changed somehow…Was it that you weren’t as strong as we thought?...Or have we grown too strong?...

The rumour:

Chapter: 335 (DBZ 141), P3.3-4
Goku: “For you, a Super Saiyan who instantly defeated Freeza and co., to call them monsters is really something…
Trunks “Yes…I’ve stood against them, but unfortunately…In any case, I’m up against two of them…Even fighting one-on-one, I could barely manage to escape…”

Plus Trunks also states:

Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.5
Trunks: “They’re also somewhat different from the androids I know…They weren’t as outrageously strong as this…Even I could fight them fairly well…”

So logically the rumours shouldn't place the Androids dramatically above initial SSJ Trunks, and they weren't as terrible as expected. That leaves a wide range for where they could fit on the power scale.

 

[GSM123]

Not like 19’s ki sensing was ever functional to begin with

I think Goku should win here. I don’t think drained SSJ Vegeta is stronger or even a rival to Yardrat Goku.

Btw, did the energy #19 suck from Vegeta actually level him up? He was also burning a lot of energy from having to hold Vegeta at place.

 

[SSJ2]

It would have for sure, but wasn't 19 already getting his ass beat by Vegeta? He had probably lost a large chunk of the power that he had stolen from Goku. His beat down from Vegeta was far worse than that from Goku.

 

[GSM123]

Thinking about that statement, I think Gero only meant #19’s missed attacks, not damage dealt to him. What’s the point of not feeling pain or fatigue but be weakened and damaged easier than normal people?

 

[Pyro]

19 post absorptions isn't as bad as Trunks said according to Vegeta, so I don't put him much above Yardrat Goku, if at all. I think Goku would take this, but it'd be a tough fight for sure.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

19 post absorptions isn't as bad as Trunks said according to Vegeta

It's worth noting though that Trunks' prediction wasn't just that they were stronger than him, but that he was no match for them and that they'd be capable of killing everyone without Goku there. It's not as though Vegeta had intel on how strong his alternate timeline self was to use as a benchmark either and his resolve for training was less so the Artificial Humans and more so to surpass Goku. It's also fairly telling that Vegeta uses a phrase such as "terrible" or some other equivalent instead of one directly linked to strength. It's also worth noting that nobody refuted the validity of Trunks' claims on their power when judging their movements despite having enough time to judge them, the only similar reaction being Piccolo's one in which he brought up having become too strong as the explanation.

That said, #19 and #20 could still be stronger than Trunks and not measure up to Vegeta's expectations of them.

 

[GSM123]

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] the only people who actually judged their strength was Piccolo and Vegeta though. As far as we know no one besides them and Goku knows how strong they were.

 

[SSJ2]

It would be pretty apparent that they were much stronger than initial SSJ Future Trunks by the fact that he came from the future to get help. The group was aware that the Z Senshi was wiped out and Trunks has been unable to beat the pair. That should be enough for the entire group to get a basic idea of how strong they were.

 

[Pyro]

Piccolo explained everything to the group, so they would all know that the androids should be enough to at least rip Trunks a new asshole. Apart from that, it's speculation on our end. There's a minimum but not really a maximum for the expected androids' strength (none of them would know of Future 17 using >50% against Gohan, for instance, so that's reader-only info). All 19 has to be post-absorptions is strong enough to beat Trunks.

 

[Big Ank]

I believe #19 got to sick Goku's level post absorbing the energies, which is noticeably above that of [Post Yardrat] Goku. Add in his absorptions advantages and his durability and he's got this decently easily.

 

[SSJ2]

Not like 19’s ki sensing was ever functional to begin with

I just noticed what this was referring to. The OP was meant to say ki absorbing not sensing lol.