Android #19 (post absorptions) vs Android #20 (post absorptions)

[ahill1]

Who wins this?

 

[Victorious]

19 post in a long fight. They should definitely rival one another.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Absolutely nothing implies 19 is superior to 20. Also:

 

[Victorious]

Hmm that's interesting. Maybe ill have to put his pre level higher than 19's. Though I'm not sure about guidebooks to be honest.

 

[supercat]

Android 20 is likely the better of the two. Vegeta felt the need to recuperate before his showdown with #20 despite wrecking #19 just moments before. If #20 was weaker or on par with #19, Vegeta would most likely just taken the chance against him versus buying himself the opportunity to take a Senzu Bean. He would presumably know that he could just destroy #20 as he did #19, so what would even be the point of allowing him to retreat.

Then again, there is the fact that Vegeta couldn't sense #20; so perhaps he just assumed that the two androids were close in power and the reason he bluffed was because he felt he was too exhausted to fight another fighter of #19's caliber.

 

[ahill1]

Absolutely nothing implies 19 is superior to 20. Also:

Would this be taking into account their post absorptions selves as well?

 

[ahill1]

Btw, I'd like to see an official take regarding his strength compared to Freeza. Gero being above #19 pre is nothing new, but his placement compared to Freeza would set up things nicely for a battle power loveler like me. Do you know whether there is something regarding this in that Guidebook with the Spanish translation, GS?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It doesn't make any comparison, so i just take it to be a overall comparison. It's quite possible 20 gave 19 a limit lower than his own power to be sure he wouldn't be able to turn against him. Gero did try to suppress 17 and 18 in order to make them more obidient, after all.

I was just now wondering the same thing about the guidebooks. I took a look on volumes 2 and 7 of Daizenshuu and it says nothing about 19 and 20's power compared to Freeza or Pre Android Arc SSJs.

You're talking about the El Manga Legendario? I don't really trust that guidebook tbh. I only trust Daizenshuu and SEG, everything else his on the same tier as V-Jump saying Broly = 1.4 billion. The El Manga Legendario is even worse because it's spanish and there is no proof it's a japanese guidebook. It holds as much water as Ocean Dub calling Bardock a brilliant scientist.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, I was talking about El Manga Legendario. Well, I always assumed it was a Japanese guidebook with a Spanish translation.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

A lot of people say that, but i personally don't believe it until i see a japanese scan.

 

[p123]

It's pretty simply ahill. 19 Post/20 Post are somewhere around Sick Goku. Sick Goku is significantly above Yardrat Goku. Yardrat Goku can easily handle Freeza.

 

[Victorious]

Whatever the case 19 post and 20 post should certainly rival one another.

 

[p123]

People don't like to admit it, but 19/20 smoke Freeza and that's pre absorption. Freeza probably gets manhandled by Yardrat Goku worse than Sick Goku manhandles 19.

 

[Victorious]

Freeza gets two shotted by Yardrat Goku.

 

[Six Trails]

20 is a possible candidate as one of the Artificial Humans that stomped Trunks and 19 is never considered. 20 is clearly stronger. I thought that was the general consensus anyway?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd say #19 probably wins, seeing as it's pretty hard to place the #20 that got stomped by Piccolo ahead of peak #19 drained Vegeta enough to give #20 a chance against SSJ Vegeta, unless you assume using the Big Bang Attack took a collosal toll on his stamina or that both Vegeta and Piccolo were factoring in the amount of Ki burned by the Super Saiyan form or #20 getting in a lucky grab on Vegeta.

Actually, that said, there's a bit that could still make Drained SSJ Vegeta > Near enough Initial #20 in terms of raw power. Maybe #20 could win. Either way, I think it'd be close.

 

[p123]

Drained Vegeta has no chance against 20 as far as I remember. The quotes make it very clear that Vegeta would lose.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Vegeta could still be superior and still have no chance. After all, he can't fight long range with Ki blasts and at melee range it's very unlikely he could fight without getting grabbed and drained without having enough of a power or speed advantage to counter such.

 

[Symbiote]

After #17 & #18 why would he create another Android stronger than he is? Gero wins this.

 

[p123]

I think you are reaching CC. The story says that Vegeta wouldn't win, that should be taken as he is weaker. No reason to over-complicate things here.