Android Saga Levels

FeatsofPower

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I think I got it figured out now, I think I've accounted for nearly every issue, with just a few more left to go.

Piccolo W/o Weights 1,500,000,000
Android 17 1,500,000,000
Android 18 1,400,000,000
Piccolo W/ Weights 1,350,000,000
Imperfect Cell 1,200,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 1,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 950,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 875,000,000
Android 20 (Post Humans) 775,000,000
Piccolo W/o Weights 750,000,000
Android 20 (Post 2 Piccolos) 700,000,000
Android 20 (Post Piccolo) 625,000,000
Android 20 (Post Vegeta’s Blast) 550,000,000
Sick Goku 525,000,000
Android 19 (Post Base Goku) 500,000,000
Android 19 (Post KHH) 475,000,000
Sick Goku 425,000,000
Android 20 (Post Yamcha) 405,000,000
Android 20 375,000,000
Android 19 350,000,000
Vegeta 100,000,000
Goku 95,000,000
Trunks 87,500,000
Piccolo 75,000,000
Gohan 60,000,000
Krillen 50,000,000
Tien 40,000,000
Yamcha 30,000,000
Sickest Goku 25,000,000


The only couple issues I feel like I'd like to address would be, what does Gero expect Piccolo to be in round 2?
How does Weakened Vegeta and Weakened 19 factor into this?
What about the BBA?
How strong is the BBA?
I'm assuming it's above Vegeta's top power by a good margin.
I'd probably put Vegeta on par with Yardrat Goku in this instance.
Perhaps 300,000,000 while drained.
Capable of what? 1,200,000,000 blast?
Is it possible that it's not even about Vegeta's attack not being affected by his fatigue, but that his amp is literally just that powerful here?
That's quite scary to think of.
That would be Final Flash levels of amp already, which seems to early to do so.
If Weakened Vegeta is 300,000,000
I guess I'd go with Weakened 19 at 200,000,000
But if 19 drained Vegeta of 700,000,000 worth of power level, shouldn't he be tremendously stronger?
Even if 19 was at literal 0, which I doubt, shouldn't it be like this?
Super Saiyan Vegeta 1,000,000,000
Android 19 0
Android 19 (Post Vegeta) 700,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta (Post Drain) 300,000,000
Why wouldn't 19 be stronger, if he absorbed most of Vegeta's power?
Also, I think I have a superior option to the 4x blast.
3x blast.
Super Saiyan Vegeta (Post Blast) 300,000,000
Big Bang Attack 900,000,000
As long as we get BBA > Piccolo, I think that's quite good.



And lastly, expected Piccolo. Shouldn't 20 know that Piccolo will power up. He removes his weights, Gero must be expecting at least somewhat of a power up.
 

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Here's what I have:

Kamiccolo Weights Off: 750m
Android #17: 750m
Kamiccolo Weights On: 700m
Android #18: 700m
Imperfect Cell Pre: 600m
SSJ Vegeta Post: 500m
SSJ Goku Post: 487.5m
SSJ Trunks Post: 475m
Piccolo: 437.5m
Android #20 Post: 375m
Android #19 Post: 350m
Android #20 Pre: 325m
Android #19 Pre: 300m
SSJ Goku: 270m
SSJ Trunks: 240m
Mecha Freeza: 160m
King Cold: 110m
 

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Android #19 Post: 350m
Android #20 Pre: 325m
Android #19 Pre: 300m
19 is stated to have greatly powered up.

I need to see the varying levels.

20 Pre
20 Post Yamcha
20 Post Vegeta's Blast
20 Post Piccolo
20 Post Picolo + Humans
 

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19 is stated to have greatly powered up.

I need to see the varying levels.

20 Pre
20 Post Yamcha
20 Post Vegeta's Blast
20 Post Piccolo
20 Post Picolo + Humans
His power was poop before. I don't see why he can't gain x1.167 and #20 can't gain x1.15.
 

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Android #20 Post: 375m
Android #19 Post: 350m
Android #20 Pre: 325m
Android #19 Pre: 300m
Android 19 is stated to have greatly powered up, is 50 million going to cut it here?

Where is 20 Post Piccolo + Humans?
 

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Android #20 Post: 375m
How strong are these three characters...


Ok, so Gero says this is the power chain.

Android 20 (Post Humans) > Vegeta > Android 20 (Post Piccolo)

Show me how your numbers showcase this.

Now remember, Android 20 (Post Piccolo) cannot rival Vegeta and the humans need to power up Android 20 beyond a rivaling range.

This is a numericaly impossibility with the 50x boost, which renders the 50x boost false and invalid.
 

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I think this is it P. My numbers with Piccolo at 75% of Vegeta aren’t very different from this. 80% made 19’s power and Gero’s logic look better, but I think we should prioritize Vegeta vs 18 over that. 1.35x is the perfect gap for them.

FP Kamiccolo: 1,500
Android 17: 1,500
Weighted Kamiccolo: 1,425
Android 18: 1,350
Imperfect Cell: 1,125
SSJ Vegeta: 1,000
SSJ Goku: 960
SSJ Trunks: 875
FP Piccolo: 750
Android 20 (Post Piccolo): 625
Android 20 (Post Vegeta): 550
SSJ Goku (Sick): 540
Android 19 (Post Goku): 500
Android 19 (Post KHH): 480
Android 20 (Post Yamcha): 405
SSJ Goku (Post KHH): 400
Android 20: 375
Android 19: 360
SSJ Goku (Heart attack): 300
Unweighted Piccolo: 100~150
Vegeta: 100
Goku: 96
Trunks: 87.5
Piccolo: 75
Gohan: 60
Kuririn: 50
Tenshinhan: 45
Yamcha: 30
Goku (Dying): 20
 

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I think this is it P. My numbers with Piccolo at 75% of Vegeta aren’t very different from this. 80% made 19’s power and Gero’s logic look better, but I think we should prioritize Vegeta vs 18 over that. 1.35x is the perfect gap for them.
I agree, 18 at 1.35x Vegeta and 1.5x Trunks just seems to be too perfect to let go. I'd drop Weighted Piccolo to 1,400 and just reverse their numbers. And that's what I was saying before too, we have to go with the best option overall. If you prioritize 19/20 more, you'll have a different set, then if you prioritize 17/18 more. There is no perfect set, we will have to make decisions that require less than perfection for some issues.

I don't know if I like Tien rivaling Krillen. If we are going to make Krillen the strongest human, shouldn't his potential showcase him at a level beyond Tien? Or do we give credit to Tien for always being a gamer?

I like 19 at 350, 350 to 375 is already a bit too close for my liking, I wouldn't make it closer.

You back with Trunks at 87.5? I guess you are right, Because we don't want it to be Goku vs Cell, right?
 
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