Anybody else rather see Cell in Super than Freeza?

[Warmmedown]

I just want his cockiness. Almost gay there.

For real, Cell is somewhat redeemable too, since he has a bit of Goku in him. I'd want him to stay as a narcissistic dick though, because the trash talk would be hilarious.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Yes. With Cell possessing Freeza's DNA along with a concoction of other broken genes, it would make far more sense for him to gain haxed power ups in a short amount of time than it would Freeza getting stronger through just image training. Freeza really had no purpose within the ToP other than to troll and be degenerated into a repeat of every previous reformed villain's character arc. At least with Cell, he had the foundation for such a turn to be reasonable when about 60% of his DNA is made up of characters who were now considered good guys.

Then again, without an improvement in writing, it would be even worse if we had two Shunkan Ido users not bothering to use the technique to stop their teammates falling out of the ring.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Hell no, Freeza made this arc unpredictable and the fact he's already in the league of Gods since he has an arc about it.

 

[Papasmurf]

I'd really like to see Cell back in the future, but the 48 hours they had pre-ToP would've made an asspull inevitable to use him in any meaningful way.

 

[Void]

Hell no. Freeza is a much better character than Cell.

 

[Emmeth]

Freeza has much more importance to the Zet-senshi than Cell.

- Tormented Vegeta for years and years, beginning with blowing up Planet Vegeta and killing King Vegeta.
- Personally attacked both Planet Namek and Earth with the intent of using the dragon balls and sell the planets, both of which are home planets of Piccolo.
- Managed to kill kill Krillin, Goku's best friend, which sent the latter into a rage finally revealing the legendary Super Saiyan.
- The Universe's terror for decades if not centuries.

He's had a much bigger impact on the series as a whole than Cell. Cell might be a more complete enemy physically, but doesn't hold a candle to Freeza's demeanor and personality, much less the history of him.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He's had a much bigger impact on the series as a whole than Cell. Cell might be a more complete enemy physically, but doesn't hold a candle to Freeza's demeanor and personality, much less the history of him.

Which makes Freeza's character being mutated into the same generic anti-hero as previous characters such as Piccolo and Vegeta out of nowhere far more out of character and disappointing than if a generic villain like Cell were rewritten in such a way.

Hell no, Freeza made this arc unpredictable and the fact he's already in the league of Gods since he has an arc about it.

Unpredictable =/= Well Written. In the context of the ToP, most "unpredictable" events were merely chaotic and nonsensical.

Cell's DNA containing cells from Freeza, coupled with Saiyan Zenkais and Namekian regeneration, would also give him a viable reason to catch up if he were to abuse his Zenkais. Freeza already having an arc is, if anything, a reason against him coming back. We already had Freeza's character tarnished with a lukewarm repeat of the Freeza Arc. Doing so anymore and ruining what good qualities he had was far from necessary.

 

[Emmeth]

He's had a much bigger impact on the series as a whole than Cell. Cell might be a more complete enemy physically, but doesn't hold a candle to Freeza's demeanor and personality, much less the history of him.

Which makes Freeza's character being mutated into the same generic anti-hero as previous characters such as Piccolo and Vegeta out of nowhere far more out of character and disappointing than if a generic villain like Cell were rewritten in such a way.

Not necessarily. If they decided to go the anti-hero route with Freeza it shows a side to him we previously thought he didn't have. That's another form of character development. I have, in the past, toyed with an anti-hero Freeza similar to that of Piccolo and Vegeta, I even wrote a (bad) fan fiction where he turns away from his family because he had an absolutely terrible time in Hell, so bad that he doesn't want that to happen again. Freeza seems less redeemable than other characters because of his brutal past, but I don't think it's outright impossible for him to get adjusted to a role since he pretty much has no choice (Goku and Vegeta are both stronger).

It doesn't have to be generic either, they can make him a last-minute saviour or even make him the God of Destruction that replaces Beerus, making him comparable in power to Goku and Vegeta. That could make for some very interesting dynamic with several characters, in fact.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That would be fine if there was foreshadowing and build up for it beforehand. With Freeza's sudden turn at the end of the battle royale, however, there was absolutely none of that.

 

[Classic Adamas]

Yeah. An insane Cell power-up would probably be easier to swallow than Freeza's one.

 

[Emmeth]

That would be fine if there was foreshadowing and build up for it beforehand. With Freeza's sudden turn at the end of the battle royale, however, there was absolutely none of that.

It was poorly written towards the end, but overall his contribution to the tournament was a nice contrast to Goku and the others. He seemed willing to do a job the others didn't want to do. He brought some much needed cruelty.

As for foreshadowing, it hasn't exactly been Super's biggest strength so it could still happen. I think Freeza will make an appearance in the new Super movie.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Hell no, Freeza made this arc unpredictable and the fact he's already in the league of Gods since he has an arc about it.

Unpredictable =/= Well Written. In the context of the ToP, most "unpredictable" events were merely chaotic and nonsensical.

Cell's DNA containing cells from Freeza, coupled with Saiyan Zenkais and Namekian regeneration, would also give him a viable reason to catch up if he were to abuse his Zenkais. Freeza already having an arc is, if anything, a reason against him coming back. We already had Freeza's character tarnished with a lukewarm repeat of the Freeza Arc. Doing so anymore and ruining what good qualities he had was far from necessary.

Again, Frieza's returned was well received by the fans therefore it was well written. He has a legit history with the Saiyans and Beerus which add more drama in the story which Cell hasn't other than he was just another threat to the Z fighters. Frieza's returned made the arc compelling and interesting. He has a reasons why he has to be one of the member of U7 while Cell doesn't. Freeza is arguably the most entertaining character in the ToP with him negotiating with other Universes, keeps teasing his betrayal and so on. Toei made Freeza great again so that's enough.

Again its just an opinion. But the fact that it was well received by the fans after they had trashed Super doing it says a lot.

 

[Void]

That would be fine if there was foreshadowing and build up for it beforehand. With Freeza's sudden turn at the end of the battle royale, however, there was absolutely none of that.

Him working with Goku was bad, but Freeza was still one of the more entertaining characters during the ToP. He had no real business actually being there, though. I don't think Boo or Cell would bring the same enjoyment as Freeza.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Again, Frieza's returned was well received by the fans therefore it was well written.

Fan reception is by no means a sign of good writing quality when they tend to eat up whatever's thrown at them. If anything, it's the opposite in modern times.

He has a legit history with the Saiyans and Beerus which add more drama in the story which Cell hasn't other than he was just another threat to the Z fighters.

His role with the Saiyans was concluded with the Freeza Arc and his role in FnF was essentially just parading his corpse. As for Beerus, whilst that is true, their "history" results in nothing but Freeza's perpetual role as the Hakaishin's bitch and his fear towards him lead to nothing as far as the ToP goes.
Cell indeed doesn't have this and I wholeheartedly agree that he's nowhere near as effective a villain as Freeza. It's because of this very reason I'd prefer to see Cell in the ToP as I'd care far less about what little characterisation he has being damaged than Freeza getting ruined.

Frieza's returned made the arc compelling and interesting.

We already knew that whatever he did wouldn't matter due to the end of Z already assuring the continuation of the status-quo.

He has a reasons why he has to be one of the member of U7 while Cell doesn't.

Fighting strong people and proving his perfection isn't enough?

Freeza is arguably the most entertaining character in the ToP with him negotiating with other Universes, keeps teasing his betrayal and so on.

Which lead to nothing but trolling.

Toei made Freeza great again so that's enough.

I'd consider him messing about for over half the battle royale, losing all rationality against Toppo and being made out as a complete non-threat by the end the complete opposite of making him great.

 

[Emmeth]

Well, there's two points I want to make:

1. Even the stauntest critic of the arc (and series as a whole) has cited Freeza as a positive point, if not the only positive point, of ToP. Members here and on F overwhelmingly say that Freeza was a shining light in a rather bleak arc. I've only seen two people (you, CC, are one of them) criticize how Freeza was used and why he was there.

2. Freeza's history with the Saiyans will never be 'concluded'. There will always be lingering feelings and history between them and that's not anyone can do anything about. Freeza had such an impact that he was mentioned throughout Z and also in movies. That sort of influence can't just be ended.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

1. Even the stauntest critic of the arc (and series as a whole) has cited Freeza as a positive point, if not the only positive point, of ToP. Members here and on F overwhelmingly say that Freeza was a shining light in a rather bleak arc. I've only seen two people (you, CC, are one of them) criticize how Freeza was used and why he was there.

Majority ruling isn't exactly a strong argument. I've also encountered far more than just one other with such an opinion.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not totally against the idea of Freeza's character being developed in a new way. My criticism of it primarily derives from how it unfolded in comparison to why he was there. His talks of his image training in hell should've made his primary goal to kill Goku out of vengeance more than anything else. Whilst him putting that aside for the matter at hand, his reluctance to aid in those he had such hatred for seemed non-existent by the end despite such a short amount of time passing. There's also this rational approach seeming highly contradictive when he became so irrational against Toppo as to believe an attack he merely described as a planet buster whilst not even in his Golden form could defeat the Hakaishin candidate.

I may change my opinion depending on how Toyotaro handles him, since the manga is far more logical than the anime, but that's still just pure assumption.

2. Freeza's history with the Saiyans will never be 'concluded'. There will always be lingering feelings and history between them and that's not anyone can do anything about. Freeza had such an impact that he was mentioned throughout Z and also in movies. That sort of influence can't just be ended.

The primary conflict of it, one of the several things that made Freeza stand out, practically has. His current position is now one treat as virtually harmless due to Goku and Vegeta's current standing and even should he receive more training gains to change this, that's just bringing what power consistency the series ever had even further rock bottom than his 4 months' training already did.

 

[Void]

Freeza was the best ToP character.

 

[Emmeth]

Just because Freeza wasn't written in a certain way doesn't make him a bad character in ToP. 'Heat of the moment' is a legit reason why he wasn't more against his teammates, Jiren was a more immediate threat.

 

[Classic Adamas]

It would be interesting to see what they could do with Cell. The whole "DNA of the greatest fighters" deal could make for an interesting arc.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I think they should have brought back Cell at TOP.