"Base Goku (BoG arc) was weaker than Freeza" statement

[Captain Cadaver]

Goku immediately started acting formal as soon as Kaio reminded him of Beerus' position and as I said, contradicting the assessment of someone so petty they would permanently change a planet just for losing at a car race is far from a good idea, even to Super Goku. His proposal of a match was done quite formally and was in line with Beerus' current goal, so not exactly a breach in etiquette, not to mention being a once in a lifetime opportunity in Goku's eyes.

As I said, Goku isn't the type to get pedantic. Beerus immediately follows his statement up by saying that Goku must've used SSJ to beat Freeza, which is correct. It would come off as very unnatural for Goku to say something as obvious an exposition as "Yeah, but my current normal self is stronger than my Super Saiyan self back then." Considering Goku was already made aware this was a being who eclipsed all previous opponents, getting caught up on such small details wouldn't be his prerogative.

 

[ahill1]

Goku immediately started acting formal as soon as Kaio reminded him of Beerus' position and as I said, contradicting the assessment of someone so petty they would permanently change a planet just for losing at a car race is far from a good idea, even to Super Goku. His proposal of a match was done quite formally and was in line with Beerus' current goal, so not exactly a breach in etiquette, not to mention being a once in a lifetime opportunity in Goku's eyes.

As I said, Goku isn't the type to get pedantic. Beerus immediately follows his statement up by saying that Goku must've used SSJ to beat Freeza, which is correct. It would come off as very unnatural for Goku to say something as obvious an exposition as "Yeah, but my current normal self is stronger than my Super Saiyan self back then." Considering Goku was already made aware this was a being who eclipsed all previous opponents, getting caught up on such small details wouldn't be his prerogative.

Goku's attempts at formality were questionable at best. At several different points throughout their conversation he was having to correct himself and reword his initial statements in a more deferential manner in keeping with the expectations Kaio-sama was giving him. Beerus and Whis were in the process of leaving when Goku came forward and made the request for Beerus to show him his power in a sparring match. It was a request that took both Kaio-sama and Beerus by surprise because of its lack of appreciation for the gravity of Beerus's power. Sure, Goku rephrased it to accommodate for the Hakaishin's authority, but Beerus was already calling out as either being incredibly strong himself or foolish. Do you think that acknowledging that he had become strong enough to no longer need Super Saiyan in order to take down Freeza would be more jarring than the rest of Goku's words during that conversation?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Goku's attempts at formality were questionable at best. At several different points throughout their conversation he was having to correct himself and reword his initial statements in a more deferential manner in keeping with the expectations Kaio-sama was giving him.

Correcting his vocabulary and tone is a different matter from simply not talking.

Beerus and Whis were in the process of leaving when Goku came forward and made the request for Beerus to show him his power in a sparring match. It was a request that took both Kaio-sama and Beerus by surprise because of its lack of appreciation for the gravity of Beerus's power.

As I said, Goku considered doing so a once in a lifetime task. Of course he wasn't going to let that get away.

Do you think that acknowledging that he had become strong enough to no longer need Super Saiyan in order to take down Freeza would be more jarring than the rest of Goku's words during that conversation?

No, but it also wasn't necessary in proving himself to Beerus with how Freeza has long since been old news. Goku usually speaks through actions, not words, and saying that his base self is above Freeza isn't going to give Beerus any indicator of his true power when he has no benchmark to estimate how strong his SSJ self will be before seeing it in person.

 

[ahill1]

Goku's attempts at formality were questionable at best. At several different points throughout their conversation he was having to correct himself and reword his initial statements in a more deferential manner in keeping with the expectations Kaio-sama was giving him.

Correcting his vocabulary and tone is a different matter from simply not talking.

Beerus and Whis were in the process of leaving when Goku came forward and made the request for Beerus to show him his power in a sparring match. It was a request that took both Kaio-sama and Beerus by surprise because of its lack of appreciation for the gravity of Beerus's power.

As I said, Goku considered doing so a once in a lifetime task. Of course he wasn't going to let that get away.

Do you think that acknowledging that he had become strong enough to no longer need Super Saiyan in order to take down Freeza would be more jarring than the rest of Goku's words during that conversation?

No, but it also wasn't necessary in proving himself to Beerus with how Freeza has long since been old news. Goku usually speaks through actions, not words, and saying that his base self is above Freeza isn't going to give Beerus any indicator of his true power when he has no benchmark to estimate how strong his SSJ self will be before seeing it in person.

Goku was aware of the next location that Beerus was intending to travel towards. If necessary, he could always teleport directly to Earth while Beerus is there or ask either Shenron or Elder Kaioshin for the location of Beerus's planet. His candidness wouldn't prevent him from clarifying to Beerus that Freeza could be defeated without needing to transform. We have precedent of him doing something like this in examples such as his informing Shin in Babidi's ship that Cell, an enemy who once posed a dangerous threat to them, could be handled without much issue at that point in time; this information being volunteered. Beerus heard from Whis that the Super Saiyan form increases a Saiyan's power "manyfold". For Goku to confess that his normal untransformed state had attained that power and perhaps even surpassed it would carry a good impression by itself, don't you agree?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Goku was aware of the next location that Beerus was intending to travel towards. If necessary, he could always teleport directly to Earth while Beerus is there or ask either Shenron or Elder Kaioshin for the location of Beerus's planet.

And ruin Bulma's birthday party with needing to?

Going to Beerus' planet uninvited may just piss the God off, so I doubt he'd go for that option.

His candidness wouldn't prevent him from clarifying to Beerus that Freeza could be defeated without needing to transform. We have precedent of him doing something like this in examples such as his informing Shin in Babidi's ship that Cell, an enemy who once posed a dangerous threat to them, could be handled without much issue at that point in time; this information being volunteered.

Dabura was an active threat at the time and was still semi-relevant, not to mention a major threat in Shin's eyes. Freeza was none of those to Goku or Beerus.

Beerus heard from Whis that the Super Saiyan form increases a Saiyan's power "manyfold". For Goku to confess that his normal untransformed state had attained that power and perhaps even surpassed it would carry a good impression by itself, don't you agree?

Goku was still unaware of what Beerus had been told about his full power though, so there was little need for him to emphasise it prior to sparring.

 

[ahill1]

Goku was aware of the next location that Beerus was intending to travel towards. If necessary, he could always teleport directly to Earth while Beerus is there or ask either Shenron or Elder Kaioshin for the location of Beerus's planet.

And ruin Bulma's birthday party with needing to?

Going to Beerus' planet uninvited may just piss the God off, so I doubt he'd go for that option.

His candidness wouldn't prevent him from clarifying to Beerus that Freeza could be defeated without needing to transform. We have precedent of him doing something like this in examples such as his informing Shin in Babidi's ship that Cell, an enemy who once posed a dangerous threat to them, could be handled without much issue at that point in time; this information being volunteered.

Dabura was an active threat at the time and was still semi-relevant, not to mention a major threat in Shin's eyes. Freeza was none of those to Goku or Beerus.

Beerus heard from Whis that the Super Saiyan form increases a Saiyan's power "manyfold". For Goku to confess that his normal untransformed state had attained that power and perhaps even surpassed it would carry a good impression by itself, don't you agree?

Goku was still unaware of what Beerus had been told about his full power though, so there was little need for him to emphasise it prior to sparring.

Beerus was a threat and posed as an awkward unwanted guest at Bulma's party. His sense of self-entitlement and needing to be the centre of attention would have made for a dilemma which I'm certain Bulma and the others would want addressed. It gives Goku the opportunity to request a fight and relocate. Goku's impropriety and the lack of someone such as King Kai to keep his actions in check would compel him to seek out Beerus on his own initiative. If not for sparring alone then also for training from someone with the seeming credentials for it.

The juxtaposition of Freeza to Goku and the necessity of the Super Saiyan power for the Saiyan to defeat him caused the tyrant's power to become a topic of serious interest with the current antagonist of the arc. Freeza himself wasn't a tangible threat but his reputation and relationship with Beerus made for a curious inquiry that was the major impetus for the Hakaishin seeking Goku out on King Kai's in the first place. When said comparison does get made, it would be disingenuous for him not to admit that he had increased his power to such a degree that Freeza no longer required Super Saiyan. Beerus already held an interest in Goku's power and was making inquiries about it prior to the sparring request. It leaves a better impression which is what Goku would want in the hopes of getting his match