Black vs Akkuman

[p123]

No Battle Jacket for Black, who wins?

 

[SSJ2]

Akkuman stomps. Akkuman is treated like a completely different level, even after Goku decimated the RRA.

 

[p123]

So where does Black belong? Android 8 level?

 

[SSJ2]

Hm. Yea sounds alright. I always find it weird that Black even tries to fight Goku physically instead of running straight to the Battle Jacket. Does that raise him some?

 

[p123]

Not sure. He definitely gets smoked by Tao Pai Pai for sure. If he gets smoked by Akkuman, he can't be much stronger than Android 8. Which is why I think he may be somewhat competitive against Akkuman... He might be a distant rival, maybe.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Black took hits from a pissed Goku plus a hit from his own Battle Jacket. He's stronger than Akkuman.

 

[SSJ2]

Akkuman is odd. He watches Goku one shot The Mummy and is still confident about tearing him to shreds... Goku's kick also didn't seem to do much to him in terms of damage. Akkuman with the pitchfork was managing to match Goku's speed somewhat, I don't think he's all to far off from that level of Goku who was capable of one-shotting Mummy, who would probably not be all too far off from Android 8 imo...

 

[p123]

Damn you are all over the place boiii...


Goku > Tao Pai Pai > Goku Vs Devil (Initial) > Devil > Goku (vs Mummy) > Mummy


If he's stronger than Akkuman, he wouldn't be shitting his pants so much against Tao Pai Pai. Also, Akkuman shouldn't be too far away from Tao Pai Pai's initial strength. So no, I don't think Black is quite up there.

But you do make a point, surviving Goku's attacks at all is big, but I doubt Goku used the full power he used on Akkuman, against Black. That's pretty clear. Goku can't expect Black to be strong enough to take that.

 

[ahill1]

Agreed with Akkuman winning. I think Black is in between Mummy and Akkuman, right in the middle.

 

[p123]

I got him right around Android 8's level. A solid margin superior to 21st Budokai Goku, yet still drastically weaker than Akkuman. Seems like a decent fit for him.

How strong do you have the Battle Jacket? At times, he seems superior to even Goku. Does Battle Jacket Black wreck Tao Pai Pai?

 

[Animelover5487]

Black taking hits from a pissed off Goku is PIS. At most, Black is stronger than Blue maybe around Goku's pre Karin self since he said he wouldn't go down as easy as the rest of the RRA.

 

[SSJ2]

I think Tao could manage to beat it, but he may not be as strong. Its weaponry put Goku in pain, but nothing serious.

 

[p123]

Yep that's where I got him AnimeLover. A little bit stronger than Pre Training Goku.

Also, I've heard withheld say this before, but it's a good one.

Battle Jacket Black blowing up a mountain is a good indicator of where Roshi blowing up that mountain should be. No reason not to use the same general level of power. Looks like we've found another good theory.

Battle Jacket Black ~ Power Weighted Roshi...

This however, won't translate into Piccolo Junior (Saiyan Saga) blowing up the moon = Buff Roshi 21st.

Just a thought though. I like it.

 

[ahill1]

Battle Jacket Black is able to hurt Goku more than Tao. Goku has to sit in the ground and cry a bit, his hits clearly has an effect on the little boy. But Goku still has the power to kick away its strongest attack and pierce through it, so I'd say Goku is still stronger. I think Battle Jacket is right around Tao Pai Pai's level and the missile is around Dodonpa.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Black has better durability feats but Akkuman had more hype going for him. I'd probably say Akkuman is stronger, since Black could simply be more naturally durable. You also didn't exclude Akkumite Beam, so that'd give Akkuman an insta-win if things get rough.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Also, I've heard withheld say this before, but it's a good one.

Battle Jacket Black blowing up a mountain is a good indicator of where Roshi blowing up that mountain should be. No reason not to use the same general level of power. Looks like we've found another good theory.

I never said that.

 

[Future Warrior]

Depends on where you have Akkuman. Black didn't think Goku would be as strong as he was even knowing he defeated Toa Pai Pai, even though he felt nervous of Initial Toa Pai Pai. He states he wouldn't go down as easily as the rest of the RRA, so I think that at least warrants Black > Blue. I could see him being around Mummy to Android 8.

 

[SSJ2]

That statement is likely referring to Goku's attack on the actual hideout, which he breezed through easily.

 

[p123]

Ok I will take full credit for that.

Battle Jacket Black Mountain Buster = Roshi's Mountain Buster. Boooyaaa... That helps us with Roshi's amp!

Black > Blue for sure.