Blasts vs Piccolo

[Animelover5487]

Gohan wasn't on the verge of death but he had two intense battles back to back. I don't see why he can't get a small boost like Goku got after muscle tower in og db.

 

[SSJ2]

Gohan has no feats because he's scared. But he's stronger than Krillen after the battle and I don't see where he got a zenkai.

Agreed with Animelover. A true zenkai is unlikely but Gohan's condition by the end of the fight is almost identical to how Goku was after Muscle Tower. A boost seems warranted, just not a full scale zenkai.

Where was this? I'm about to make him an even 1,200, he looks like perfect equals to me.

How? What equal powers fight ends that quickly? Yamcha easily outclassed it in speed with an afterimage and basically one shotted it with a weak Kamehameha that barely looked charged.

 

[Power Level Guy]

How? What equal powers fight ends that quickly? Yamcha easily outclassed it in speed with an afterimage and basically one shotted it with a weak Kamehameha that barely looked charged.

An afterimage is a technique. They fought perfectly even before that.

 

[SSJ2]

An afterimage is a technique. They fought perfectly even before that.

And the KHH that basically killed the Saibaman? It wasn't even off guard taking the attack.

 

[Papasmurf]

Nappa said "Again..." when Yamcha outclassed the Saibaman and Yamcha was smirking in the Saibaman's face prior to dodging it. It may not have been a total stomp like with Tenshithands but he was still easily winning. Even if accounting for Yamcha's arrogance, he also did say "I'll take the rest by myself." Doesn't seem like he was equal at all with the green nigga here.

 

[Power Level Guy]

And the KHH that basically killed the Saibaman? It wasn't even off guard taking the attack.

What about it? Seemed to be on par with what a Kamehameha does to equal level opponents.

Exhibit A: Goku vs Grandpa Gohan

Exhibit B: Chaozu vs Krillen

 

[Power Level Guy]

It may not have been a total stomp like with Tenshithands but he was still easily winning. Even if accounting for Yamcha's arrogance, he also did say "I'll take the rest by myself." Doesn't seem like he was equal at all with the green nigga here.

So follow the logic.

Yamcha was suppressed fighting the Saibaman?

Also, you need to account for Krillen's line. Yamcha's confidence might be coming because he wants them to target him, not Krillen. Think deeper my boy

 

[Papasmurf]

So follow the logic.

Yamcha was suppressed fighting the Saibaman?

Also, you need to account for Krillen's line. Yamcha's confidence might be coming because he wants them to target him, not Krillen. Think deeper my boy

Yamcha wasn't begging for the Saibamen to go gangbang him lol, he merely said I should go first since Kuririn has died once before. He wasn't baiting for them to target him, plus we see plenty of exchanges where a stronger opponent is trading blows with the weaker one at first a la weakened Zarbon vs. post Zenkai Vegeta.

In fact, Yamcha vs. Saibaman (for the 1-2 panels we actually saw it before the dodges) wasn't even "even." We see Yamcha land a punch squarely on the Saibaman and the Saibaman fleeing immediately after:

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol15/082-8BQd3.jpg

 

[Power Level Guy]

He wasn't baiting for them to target him, plus we see plenty of exchanges where a stronger opponent is trading blows with the weaker one at first a la weakened Zarbon vs. post Zenkai Vegeta.

So your evidence that Yamcha > Saibamen is an afterimage and a smirk?

 

[Papasmurf]

So your evidence that Yamcha > Saibamen is an afterimage and a smirk?

And Nappa saying "Again..?!" as though the Saibaman had squarely lost. Yamcha actually got a hit in on the Saibaman while the Saibaman merely pressured Yamcha to block, too.

In fact, Vegeta didn't even deny that Yamcha could "take the rest by himself," he just said "Kukuku... it seems you're the one who took the Saibaman too lightly" in reference to the self-destruct which Yamcha was unprepared to deal with.

 

[SSJ2]

Exhibit A: Goku vs Grandpa Gohan

Sooo... nothing?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Sooo... nothing?

Grandpa Gohan was pretty much finished off by the Kamehameha.

 

[Power Level Guy]

And Nappa saying "Again..?!" as though the Saibaman had squarely lost. Yamcha actually got a hit in on the Saibaman while the Saibaman merely pressured Yamcha to block, too.

No, they traded evenly. If Yamcha was an even fighter, he could have still determined the fight in the same exact way.

In fact, Vegeta didn't even deny that Yamcha could "take the rest by himself," he just said "Kukuku... it seems you're the one who took the Saibaman too lightly" in reference to the self-destruct which Yamcha was unprepared to deal with.

It could be a massive skills disparity. Yamcha did not show superior might, but superior skill in the fight. Him using a Kamehameha doesn't mean he's stronger. His only feat had him matching the Saibaman.

 

[SSJ2]

Grandpa Gohan was pretty much finished off by the Kamehameha.

What do you mean? He got right back up and started thrashing Goku again. And the same with the Chaozu situation, he wasn't lying on the ground half dead.

 

[Power Level Guy]

What do you mean? He got right back up and started thrashing Goku again. And the same with the Chaozu situation, he wasn't lying on the ground half dead.

No he didn't. I think you are misremembering that fight. Goku finished that fight, Gohan was done after the Kamehameha. He was on the ground all jakked up.

 

[SSJ2]

No he didn't. I think you are misremembering that fight. Goku finished that fight, Gohan was done after the Kamehameha. He was on the ground all jakked up.

What do you mean? He literally stood up and started slamming Goku around right after this.

 

[Papasmurf]

What do you mean? He literally stood up and started slamming Goku around right after this.

In fairness, I don't think the Kamehameha was a direct hit there:

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol08/040-HxatR.jpg

 

[SSJ2]

The Chaozu one was. Chaozu was still in decent shape. To compare that to the Saibaman is crazy.

 

[Power Level Guy]

What do you mean? He literally stood up and started slamming Goku around right after this.

You are missing a BIIIIG piece of the narrative. Lol.

Gohan is finished.

Something happens.

Gohan starts slamming Goku around.

 

[Papasmurf]

No, they traded evenly. If Yamcha was an even fighter, he could have still determined the fight in the same exact way.


It could be a massive skills disparity. Yamcha did not show superior might, but superior skill in the fight. Him using a Kamehameha doesn't mean he's stronger. His only feat had him matching the Saibaman.

Yamcha's confidence and Vegeta saying he merely let his guard down tells me it wasn't just a skill thing. When Ten proved to be a worthy opponent (as suppressed as he was in the 22nd against him lmao), Yamcha had an internal monologue saying this guy's way stronger than I thought. He thought the Saibaman was nowhere near as tough as they made them out to be and felt he could take more of them even after expending Ki in a Kamehameha. I don't think they were evenly matched there.