BoGT Levels

[SSJ2]

Episode 29
Time: 15m40s
Context: After Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Bra have given Vegeta their power
Gohan: "Baby-sama, that is all the power we have."
Vegeta: "Power! I have now obtained the greatest of Saiyan power!"

Episode 29
Time: around 15m55s
Context: After Vegeta claims to be the greatest power
Goku: "It's true! I've never felt a Ki as awesome as this! This really may turn out to be the last sight I take with me into the next world..."

Pretty clear that SBV1 is above anyone prior in the franchise.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Pure Boo being that strong also makes little sense due to Oob. We already saw Oob's power at the 28th Budokai, and it was enough to confirm that he was the reincarnation of Pure Boo. So why is he a mere 5% of Pure Boo's power at the beginning of GT? This is an Oob who had 5 years of training with Goku and was already capable of putting out Pure Boo's power in Z. Makes no sense.

Goku was stronger than Buu in base, so maybe Uub still wasn't strong enough

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I'm very interested in seeing the Arc Baby list.

Might do it, but I don’t know how strong Goten should be.

 

[SIAD]

Podría hacerlo, pero no sé qué tan fuerte debería ser Goten.

Gohan Base es >> Baby Goten SSJ.

Baby Goten Base is Teen Baby + Goten Base.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Gohan Base es >> Baby Goten SSJ.

Baby Goten Base is Teen Baby + Goten Base.

I'm thinking something like this could work.

Goten: 250
~ SSJ: 625

Baby Goten: 500
~ SSJ: 875
~ Self destruction: 3,500

Gohan: 3,000
~ SSJ: 7,500

Piccolo: 5,000

Baby Gohan: 3,250
~ SSJ: 7,750

Vegeta: 3,600
~ SSJ: 9,000
~ SSJ2: 11,250

 

[SIAD]

I'm thinking something like this could work.

Goten: 250
~ SSJ: 625

Baby Goten: 500
~ SSJ: 875
~ Self destruction: 3,500

Gohan: 3,000
~ SSJ: 7,500

Piccolo: 5,000

Baby Gohan: 3,250
~ SSJ: 7,750

Vegeta: 3,600
~ SSJ: 9,000
~ SSJ2: 11,250

Sounds good to me, just maybe that Teen Baby> Goten SSJ >>> Goten Base> Teen Baby (Deleted).

I really like your numbers.

By the way, I have Baby Vegeta Base = (Vegeta Base (Baby) + Teen Baby) x50.

SBV1 = 2x Baby Vegeta Base.

SBV2 = 2x SBV1.

Vegeta SSJ2 (Post Baby) = SBV2 = (Baby Adult + Vegeta Base (Baby)) x Multiplier of SSJ2 on Base.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Teen Baby seemed pretty weak to me. Every fight he has to rely on some tricks to make people power up. He’s definitely on Base Goten’s level to make him transform, but the fact he had to stay hidden suggests he’s below SSJ Goten.

I have Baby Vegeta = 10x Vegeta. Initial Baby Vegeta is SSJ1 and the other forms are SSJ2 and 3, as the Perfect Files suggest.

The Perfect Files say only SBV1 and 2 are “Super” forms, but in the entry for Initial BV it says his hair is “white instead of golden”, suggesting he’s a SSJ1 initially.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Does BoGT Goku really have to be > Gohan? Trunks doesn’t debut Pan, but does he know how strong Goku and Gohan are? He hasn’t seen either in years, has they?

 

[SSJ2]

SSJ3 Goku should at least be ahead of Base Gohan.

 

[SIAD]

Teen Baby seemed pretty weak to me. Every fight he has to rely on some tricks to make people power up. He’s definitely on Base Goten’s level to make him transform, but the fact he had to stay hidden suggests he’s below SSJ Goten.

I have Baby Vegeta = 10x Vegeta. Initial Baby Vegeta is SSJ1 and the other forms are SSJ2 and 3, as the Perfect Files suggest.

The Perfect Files say only SBV1 and 2 are “Super” forms, but in the entry for Initial BV it says his hair is “white instead of golden”, suggesting he’s a SSJ1 initially.

I agree, just that Baby Vegeta Base (SSJ) should be 10x the combined power between Vegeta Base + Teen Baby.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Going to try something new. What if Gotenks and Vegetto have normal multipliers and only GT shrinks them? Using a 50/5/10 set on Z because 50/2/4 doesn’t work without terribly nerfing Gotenks Pre Rosat. He’s not on the list, but I like consistence.

I’ve been digging GT’s Strength Checker a bit, and the Sigmas don’t really have to be > BoGT Goku, do they? All I can find is Rildo saying they wouldn’t come unscathed from a fight with Goku, and that’s based on the data he’s got. Perfect Files also hype Lood as the strongest Machine Mutant, and while that’s clear bullshit, it can’t be that weak.

Also going with Gohan only re-unlocking SSJ when Goku was in space for simplicity’s sake. Makes sense that he’d train harder when Goku is out, he’s the strongest Z Fighter now.

 

[SSJ2]

They have to be above BoGT Goku. Goku was equal to Redjic in Base, but then claimed he hadn't seen anyone as incredible as the Super Mega Cannon Sigma.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I have them all stronger than Base Goku, around SSJ Goku’s level. The full line was “I haven’t seen guys this strong in a while” or something similar. So he’s seen guys this strong before, just not recently.

 

[SIAD]

Your numbers are interesting. Hopefully you do all DBGT.

You must have Piccolo> SSJ Trunks in DBGT Chapter 7.

As a suggestion, lower Vegetto Base to 30,000 (Gohan Boo level) and have Baby Gohan SSJ = (Gohan Base + Teen Baby) x SSJ Multiplier.

Also Goku Base (Arc Super # 17) is> Vegetto SSJ, due to the exploits of Goku Base in Hell.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I think Base Vegetto has to be stronger than Gohan-Boo. A fusion between Goku and Gohan would already stomp Gotenks-Boo, and Vegetto is stronger than that.

I’m going to go with Baby SSJ = 2.5x(Base+Baby). It’s easier this way.

Why is Base Goku > Super Vegetto? Is it because he escaped Hell on his own?

 

[SSJ2]

He should probably be close if we're assuming that Vegeta kept his power from Baby. SSJ Goku was at best ahead of SSJ2 Vegeta, who is above Super Vegetto. Base Goku would end up around that level.

 

[SIAD]

Goku Base upon powering up, shook the entire Universe from the Dead too easily, a Multi Galaxy level feat apparently.

@GreatSaiyaman123 What are your Arc Baby levels?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Early Baby Saga done. Ended up reverting to using by normal Boo Saga list because it was needlessly complicating things with the other list with bigger multipliers. Still giving Vegerot a 50x boost though, only so I can see how Super Vegetto > Base Baby Vegetto works.

I’m not sure how to progress with things or here. I mean it’s not even a BoGT list anymore. Should I make Base Goku >>> SSJ2 Vegeta? And I have no idea what are the gaps and power ups in SSJ4 Goku vs GO Baby Vegeta.

@SIAD Gohan-Boo tried the same thing and Vegetto nullified his reality-shattering Kiai.

 

[SIAD]

Early Baby Saga done. Ended up reverting to using by normal Boo Saga list because it was needlessly complicating things with the other list with bigger multipliers. Still giving Vegerot a 50x boost though, only so I can see how Super Vegetto > Base Baby Vegetto works.

I’m not sure how to progress with things or here. I mean it’s not even a BoGT list anymore. Should I make Base Goku >>> SSJ2 Vegeta? And I have no idea what are the gaps and power ups in SSJ4 Goku vs GO Baby Vegeta.

@SIAD Gohan-Boo tried the same thing and Vegetto nullified his reality-shattering Kiai.

Maybe you should decrease Vegetto's power, to have Vegetto Base ~ Gohan Boo and thus not have Goku (Arc Baby) completely inflated.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I can’t lower Vegetto, and even if I did it’d be a pretty small step.

How big is the gap between SSJ3 Goku and Base Baby Vegeta?