BoZ Numbers

[Kyo]

Haha ok then, well that’s the point man. Sometimes things flat out don’t work.

You've seen my old DB lists where I'd ignore the BoZ numbers. I'm with you on that not working.

But if we're talking strictly DBZ scaling, the Goku/Piccolo levels matter. BoZ numbers suck because scouters didn't take into account pre-Z, but Goku and Piccolo are scaled relative to Raditz. They're 400ish to his 1200ish. In my book, that has to stay.

 

[Power Level Guy]

But if we're talking strictly DBZ scaling,

There is no Z. The Saiyan Saga occurs within the regular manga, Dragonball. Z is an anime thing.

 

[Kyo]

No shit. Colloquially, you understand what I'm saying.

 

[Power Level Guy]

No shit. Colloquially, you understand what I'm saying.

Yes, but the point I’m making remains. You are making arbitrary places to draw the line.

 

[Kyo]

It isn't arbitrary at all. Scouters were introduced in one arc without regard for how they affect the previous arcs. The previous arcs don't function with scouters. The later ones obviously do, by design.

 

[Power Level Guy]

It isn't arbitrary at all. Scouters were introduced in one arc without regard for how they affect the previous arcs. The previous arcs don't function with scouters. The later ones obviously do, by design.

And there’s severe errors there as well. Even with the knowledge of the past the author made major issues, how would you expect better seeing as he doesn’t know the future?

 

[Kyo]

Like what? The only one I can think of -- and it's also only an "error" because of the implications it has on pre-Raditz events -- is KHH amplification being 2.22x. He envisioned it in that fight as having that amp. It's there, it's done.

It doesn't matter that he doesn't know the future, he's the one building the scale as he goes along. If Vegeta is 18k and then 24k and he beats 2 people of varying strengths in-between 18k and 24k, then that's the scale.

 

[Power Level Guy]

It doesn't matter that he doesn't know the future, he's the one building the scale as he goes along. If Vegeta is 18k and then 24k and he beats 2 people of varying strengths in-between 18k and 24k, then that's the scale.

His numbers don't fit his own narrative. That's the issue with all of the BoZ numbers. Including the 2.22x amp.

 

[Kyo]

I don't see any issue with Raditz being 3x stronger than Goku and Piccolo.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I don't see any issue with Raditz being 3x stronger than Goku and Piccolo.

Ok well be prepared to accept the following consequences.

Cell’s Kamehameha is 2.22x and is considered weak by Android Saga standards.

That means Piccolos Light Grenade is at least 3.33x and Cell is probably 7x stronger than Piccolo.

I guess Grade 3 being a 10x boost would be necessary now.

 

[Kyo]

Yes, yes, and maybe.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Yes, yes, and maybe.

Also you must accept the narrative that Goku would absolutely crush Vegeta if they ever fought one on one on similar terms because Goku’s amp is exceedingly higher than Vegeta’s.

Like it would no longer be a rivalry. If Goku is anywhere close to Vegeta his massive 2.22x amp reduces the Prince to ashes.

And you’ve just made Freeza amp the same, meaning Freeza could have easily wiped out Vegeta at any moment he chooses with a ki amp.

 

[Kyo]

In the Saiyan and Freeza arcs, absolutely. That's how it's written.

 

[Power Level Guy]

In the Saiyan and Freeza arcs, absolutely. That's how it's written.

How strong is regular Kamehameha?

 

[Dagon]

I think the reason why low power levels work the way they do in original DB is because at such low levels attributes aside from power have a more tangible effect on the outcome of a fight. Past a certain point other attributes don't affect the battle nearly as much, so focus is given to raw power.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I think the reason why low power levels work the way they do in original DB is because at such low levels attributes aside from power have a more tangible effect on the outcome of a fight. Past a certain point other attributes don't affect the battle nearly as much, so focus is given to raw power.

Specifically when did this occur?

 

[Hector]

How strong is Initial Raditz?

Initial - 950
vs Goku/Piccolo - 1,100
full power - 1,250

 

[Dagon]

Specifically when did this occur?

Once you get past several hundreds the primary focus is battle power because the effect of battle power eclipses other attributes by that much.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Once you get past several hundreds the primary focus is battle power because the effect of battle power eclipses other attributes by that much.

Is Freeza's army aware of this?

 

[Dagon]

Is Freeza's army aware of this?

Possibly. They gave energy weapons to their weakest members.