Buu Saga

[FeatsofPower]

Goku 150
Vegeta 90
Gohan 60
Pui Pui 45
Expected Saiyans 30
Kaioshin 25
Piccolo 15

 

[Goku9001]

Goku 150
Vegeta 90
Gohan 60
Pui Pui 50
Expected Saiyans 30
Kaioshin 25
Piccolo 15

I might have to do more tinkering but maybe this could work?

Goku 100
Vegeta 80
Gohan 60
Pui Pui 45
Expected Saiyans 30
Kaioshin 25
Piccolo 17

It's so awful because this legitimately means I have to have the kids over 4x weaker than Gohan. There has to be a better way.

 

[FeatsofPower]

It looks pretty good. Listen, it’s reality. We didn’t write this saga, AT made this mess of a story we are doing our best to numerically assign values to his nonsense.

you think this is bad I’m going to end up with Ssj3 being a 50x boost.
Lol

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Ok here’s a tricky one.

When Goku and Vegeta are recruiting for the U6 tournament, Vegeta passes on Trunks because he’s weak and fusion isn’t allowed, but is alright with Piccolo. Mind you he hasn’t seen Piccolo since RoF.

RoF Base Gohan > RoF Piccolo > SSJ Boys?

 

[FeatsofPower]

Ok here’s a tricky one.

When Goku and Vegeta are recruiting for the U6 tournament, Vegeta passes on Trunks because he’s weak and fusion isn’t allowed, but is alright with Piccolo. Mind you he hasn’t seen Piccolo since RoF.

RoF Base Gohan > RoF Piccolo > SSJ Boys?

I’d have to see the quotes.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Trunks: "You're gonna fight the guys from Universe 6, right? Let us participate too! We'll knock those Universe 6 guys flying!"
Vegeta: "No."
Goten: "Why?"
Vegeta: "I'm sure you're planning to fight by using Fusion, but that's against the rules. If you absolutely want to participate, become strong enough to fight on your own!"

 

[FeatsofPower]

Trunks: "You're gonna fight the guys from Universe 6, right? Let us participate too! We'll knock those Universe 6 guys flying!"
Vegeta: "No."
Goten: "Why?"
Vegeta: "I'm sure you're planning to fight by using Fusion, but that's against the rules. If you absolutely want to participate, become strong enough to fight on your own!"

Piccolo hasn’t powered up? He was very strong against Frost.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Piccolo hasn’t powered up? He was very strong against Frost.

This is before they recruit Piccolo. Goku and Vegeta spent all their time at Beerus’ and haven’t seen Piccolo since RoF.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I think I got it now.

Base Trunks: 750 (I’m 100% sure this is the best number for 18)

Piccolo: 1,600 (Lowball. Was 800 Pre Rosat, doubled his power and peaked since)

Shin: 2,400 (Standard 1.5x for dimensions above)

Expected Saiyans: 2,700 ~ 3,000 (Moderately above Shin. He said he was looking forward to fighting Goku, remember?)

Pui Pui: 3,600 (You guys are overhyping him. Saying he’s 1.5x the Saiyans is flat out wrong. They wouldn’t stand a chance with this gap)

Gohan: 5,000 (Considerably above Pui)

Vegeta: 6,750 (This is the absolute highest Vegeta can be. Kid Gohan > Vegeta > Teen Gohan > CG Goku puts a cap on this gap)

Goku: 10,000 (“Gap hasn’t changed” and all)

 

[FeatsofPower]

Expected Saiyans: 2,700 ~ 3,000 (Moderately above Shin. He said he was looking forward to fighting Goku, remember?)

But he could never expect to win

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

But he could never expect to win

Yeah that’s why I put 2.7 instead of like 2.5 as the minimum. 1.1x the weaker fighter is already hanging by a thread. Goku was getting tooled by Vegeta and Cell.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I don’t see why SSJ Goku and Vegeta wouldn’t be > SSJ2 Gohan. Vegeta says “we’re stronger than he is” and Goku is still surprised Vegeta has SSJ2?

Gohan: 5
Vegeta: 12.5
Goku: 20

 

[FeatsofPower]

I don’t see why SSJ Goku and Vegeta wouldn’t be > SSJ2 Gohan. Vegeta says “we’re stronger than he is” and Goku is still surprised Vegeta has SSJ2?

Gohan: 5
Vegeta: 12.5
Goku: 20

Yeah, let's try that angle.

Ssj Goku > Ssj Vegeta > Ssj2 Gohan/Dabura

What problems do we run into? Doesn't this solve a whole bunch of issues for us?

 

[FeatsofPower]

I might have to do more tinkering but maybe this could work?

Goku 100
Vegeta 80
Gohan 60
Pui Pui 45
Expected Saiyans 30
Kaioshin 25
Piccolo 17

It's so awful because this legitimately means I have to have the kids over 4x weaker than Gohan. There has to be a better way.

This is a great conservative list to play with here. Let's try it out.


Goku 100
Vegeta 80
Gohan 60
Pui Pui 45
Expected Saiyans 30
Shin 25
Piccolo 15
Boys Post 12
Boys Pre 8
Android 18 7.5

This is solid, is it not?

Hmmm, I feel like we are getting closer and closer here.

Surely we can tighten things up a bit more. But not much more, unfortunately.

 

[SIAD]

I don’t see why SSJ Goku and Vegeta wouldn’t be > SSJ2 Gohan. Vegeta says “we’re stronger than he is” and Goku is still surprised Vegeta has SSJ2?

Gohan: 5
Vegeta: 12.5
Goku: 20

I like it a lot. I think Kid Gohan had a burst of anger at the end of his match against SPC.

I like to think that Goku was comparing Dabura to SPC.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I like it a lot. I think Kid Gohan had a burst of anger at the end of his match against SPC.

I like to think that Goku was comparing Dabura to SPC.

I think Gohan had a rage boost the whole time, and only lost it between Goku dying and before killing Cell. Goku says “Show me again the power we created”.

Maybe, but I think SSJ Goku > SPC is a bit too much.

 

[Goku9001]

That doesn't make sense. Gohan is either enraged or he's not. If he lost the rage boost, then he would've reverted back to a Super Saiyan but that's not what happened there.

 

[Goku9001]

This is a great conservative list to play with here. Let's try it out.


Goku 100
Vegeta 80
Gohan 60
Pui Pui 45
Expected Saiyans 30
Shin 25
Piccolo 15
Boys Post 12
Boys Pre 8
Android 18 7.5

This is solid, is it not?

Hmmm, I feel like we are getting closer and closer here.

Surely we can tighten things up a bit more. But not much more, unfortunately.

Honestly, this is probably the best I can do.

Goku 100
Vegeta 80
Gohan 60
Pui Pui 45
Expected Saiyans 35
Shin 30
Piccolo 21
Boys 16
Android 18 15

It does seem inevitable that the kids are drastically below the Adults but need to remain close to some degree given their interactions with Pre-Budokai Gohan and Vegeta. The main complication is that the kids are suggested to be close to the Cell Juniors in Super. It's certainly possible that they powered up significantly in the RoSaT to account for that though that would require the Base Kids to have surpassed Kaioshin.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That doesn't make sense. Gohan is either enraged or he's not. If he lost the rage boost, then he would've reverted back to a Super Saiyan but that's not what happened there.

You know it's funny, because Gohan actually goes back to SSJ.

Isn't that exactly what the narrative has? Gohan loses the will to fight when Goku dies, and only regains it at the end of the beam struggle.

It does seem inevitable that the kids are drastically below the Adults but need to remain close to some degree given their interactions with Pre-Budokai Gohan and Vegeta. The main complication is that the kids are suggested to be close to the Cell Juniors in Super. It's certainly possible that they powered up significantly in the RoSaT to account for that though that would require the Base Kids to have surpassed Kaioshin.

But Piccolo > Post Rosat Base Boys going by Super Boo's absorption. Boys ~ Cell Jrs is nice, but the boys surviving for a panel against folks trained not to kill normal poachers isn't that big of a feat.

 

[FeatsofPower]

It's certainly possible that they powered up significantly in the RoSaT to account for that though that would require the Base Kids to have surpassed Kaioshin.

That can’t be since they are weaker than Piccolo.