Can FnF 1st Form Freeza solo DragonBall Z?

[Fantastische Hure]

Well...

 

[Pocket-God]

No, not even close. Anyone worth mentioning from the Buu saga could beat him.

 

[Papasmurf]

He gets clowned by Gotenks-Boo imo.

 

[Jeff Styles]

No, Ultimate Gohan would beat him.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Then how do you gais explain everyone's reaction to him and his power? Gohan for example felt Gotenks-Boo's power but still thought Freeza was way strong.

 

[Papasmurf]

Then how do you gais explain everyone's reaction to him and his power? Gohan for example felt Gotenks-Boo's power but still thought Freeza was way strong.

Kami pre-fission was >>>>>>>>>>>>> Majunior but post-fission he is weaker and so was shocked by his power. FnF Gohan was a wuss that would be lucky to beat initial Super Boo imo.

That being said I still think 1st form Freeza was pretty strong, we're just not given any precise ballpark of how much although I assume he's > Ultimate Gohan since Gohan never stated he could beat him if he was at his former peak.

 

[Pocket-God]

I'd be surprised if that Gohan could even beat his 25th Budokai counterpart lol

 

[Papasmurf]

I'd be surprised if that Gohan could even beat his 25th Budokai counterpart lol

He's above Piccolo in base though, unless the FnF saga was also running on that Dodoria-level bullshit Gohan had a tiny remnant of his Ultimate power left, he just lost so much of his GAINZ that he can barely handle a fight

Although yeah if not for the Piccolo statement I'd think he got weaker than even his DAbura fight self with how gay he looked

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Then how do you gais explain everyone's reaction to him and his power? Gohan for example felt Gotenks-Boo's power but still thought Freeza was way strong.

Kami pre-fission was >>>>>>>>>>>>> Majunior but post-fission he is weaker and so was shocked by his power. FnF Gohan was a wuss that would be lucky to beat initial Super Boo imo.

That being said I still think 1st form Freeza was pretty strong, we're just not given any precise ballpark of how much although I assume he's > Ultimate Gohan since Gohan never stated he could beat him if he was at his former peak.

Good point, but usually new (reappearing) villains always surpass previous villains.

But Gohan was > Gotenks in FnF, so he's probably higher than at-least initial Super-Boo.

In which form could Freeza over-take Super-Saiyan 3 Vegetto from the Boo Saga in your opinion? Could Super-Saiyan Vegetto defeat the higher forms of Freeza?

I'd be surprised if that Gohan could even beat his 25th Budokai counterpart lol

FnF Gohan is implied to be higher than Gotenks. Gohan from the Boo Saga has nothing on that.

 

[Pocket-God]

I barely watched it and I've no plans of watching it again lol
But didn't Piccolo and Gohan both get pwned by Tagoma and then he went Super Saiyan and won?
What did Gohan do in base to be > Piccolo?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I barely watched it and I've no plans of watching it again lol
But didn't Piccolo and Gohan both get pwned by Tagoma and then he went Super Saiyan and won?
What did Gohan do in base to be > Piccolo?

Even before turning Super-Saiyan, Gohan was called the highest and most dangerous enemy by Tagoma.

 

[Pocket-God]

I'd say SSJ Vegito is enough to beat any non gold version of FnF Frieza.
As for Gohan being stronger than Gotenks in FnF....eh something was wrong with that Gotenks lol

 

[Papasmurf]

Then how do you gais explain everyone's reaction to him and his power? Gohan for example felt Gotenks-Boo's power but still thought Freeza was way strong.

Kami pre-fission was >>>>>>>>>>>>> Majunior but post-fission he is weaker and so was shocked by his power. FnF Gohan was a wuss that would be lucky to beat initial Super Boo imo.

That being said I still think 1st form Freeza was pretty strong, we're just not given any precise ballpark of how much although I assume he's > Ultimate Gohan since Gohan never stated he could beat him if he was at his former peak.

Good point, but usually new (reappearing) villains always surpass previous villains.

But Gohan was > Gotenks in FnF, so he's probably higher than at-least initial Super-Boo.

In which form could Freeza over-take Super-Saiyan 3 Vegetto from the Boo Saga in your opinion? Could Super-Saiyan Vegetto defeat the higher forms of Freeza?

I think he still probably needs his 4th form since SSJ3 Vegetto is over a dozen times above Ultimate Gohan and his first 3 forms didn't have huge multipliers on Namek. 4th form Freeza clears DBZ though.

And the "new villain" thing isn't always concrete since Cell was weaker than the other androids until post-absorptions and Robo Tao is probably below Young Daimao, plus Freeza has far stronger forms anyway.

 

[Papasmurf]

I barely watched it and I've no plans of watching it again lol
But didn't Piccolo and Gohan both get pwned by Tagoma and then he went Super Saiyan and won?
What did Gohan do in base to be > Piccolo?

Gohan said Tagoma's power was around his base power and Tagoma stated he took out the enemy's strongest warrior when he shot Gohan from behind with that red bull guy.

And ofc SSJ Gohan >>> Tagoma-Ginyu >> Tagoma >>>> Piccolo

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Kami pre-fission was >>>>>>>>>>>>> Majunior but post-fission he is weaker and so was shocked by his power. FnF Gohan was a wuss that would be lucky to beat initial Super Boo imo.

That being said I still think 1st form Freeza was pretty strong, we're just not given any precise ballpark of how much although I assume he's > Ultimate Gohan since Gohan never stated he could beat him if he was at his former peak.

Good point, but usually new (reappearing) villains always surpass previous villains.

But Gohan was > Gotenks in FnF, so he's probably higher than at-least initial Super-Boo.

In which form could Freeza over-take Super-Saiyan 3 Vegetto from the Boo Saga in your opinion? Could Super-Saiyan Vegetto defeat the higher forms of Freeza?

I think he still probably needs his 4th form since SSJ3 Vegetto is over a dozen times above Ultimate Gohan and his first 3 forms didn't have huge multipliers on Namek. 4th form Freeza clears DBZ though.

And the "new villain" thing isn't always concrete since Cell was weaker than the other androids until post-absorptions and Robo Tao is probably below Young Daimao, plus Freeza has far stronger forms anyway.

I should have said main-villain. 1st Form Cell > 100% Freeza

Cyborg Tao was more like a semi-fodder villain.

 

[Pocket-God]

Guess I forgot about that, sounds like Base Gohan is stronger than Piccolo then.

 

[Papasmurf]

There's also Dabura being weaker than Cell while the fodder androids were still above Freeza. It's not really consistent.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Fair enough.

Red-Bull meng is also implied to be > Piccolo. Very slightly.

 

[Papasmurf]

Fair enough.

Red-Bull meng is also implied to be > Piccolo. Very slightly.

And somehow below Ginyu too lol

But I'll just take that as foreshadowing for the Ginyu episode and/or AT's alzheimic idiocy similar to 1.3 million

 

[Pocket-God]

Huh, seems like Super likes to shit on poor Piccolo