ahill1 said:
Super Saiyan said:
Seems like a stretch to me. And I think the comparison falls apart because Goku wasn’t surprised by Yamcha’s presence. What we see with Kaioshin/Kibito is very different. Goku was already looking for other ki signatures that could possibly be with Gohan, so it wouldn’t make sense for him to ignore Kaioshin/Kibito and then be surprised by their presence upon arrival.
Goku wasn't shown surprised by everyone's presence there but Bulma's chi was the only one he could lock onto. Yamcha's didn't do the job. So he obviously didn't know Yamcha was there otherwise he'd focus on his chi instead.
And again, base Gohan is likely above Kaioshin... hence why Gohan's chi stood out the most. Kaioshin and Kibito being there just happened to be a surprise to Goku.
Just spent loads of time sifting through the manga and I think I've found the pieces to the puzzle. First regarding Bulma. I think she should be treated as a different case than the likes of Kaioshin and Kibito. Her ki was so tiny that Krillin had to be within sight of her to be able to sense her ki in the Android arc.
So we can already establish that her ki is extremely difficult to find, as pointed out by Goku in the Boo arc. When you say Yamcha's ki didn't do the job, there is no evidence of this. How do you know that Goku didn't sense Yamcha? The context of the scene was that Goku was in an extreme hurry to find Bulma, not Yamcha, to get her to stop using the Dragon Balls. There's only one other scene in the manga that I can think of where someone is hunting down one specific ki but was able to sense others as well.
Piccolo was able to sense every ki that was present despite only searching for Gohan, but the difference is that Gohan doesn't have a battle power smaller than the Farmer's. In the case above, Goku didn't have the time to teleport to Yamcha on the off-chance that Bulma wasn't there. Time was everything and he had to get it right.
Now, back to Kaioshin.
First we have Piccolo having no clue that Kaioshin was present (and injured) until he physically saw him. Surely a Godly ki like Kaioshin's would have stuck out among the other normal ki present, but Piccolo didn't take notice.
When Boo released his explosion of ki, Piccolo was sure that Kaioshin died because he was near the blast.
And later on when Goku awakened, he was surveying the damage and searching for ki signatures. Kaioshin never even crossed his mind. Seems odd when he was able to find everyone else's - even Krillin's immediately. Did he conveniently forget about Kaioshin? He never assumed that Kaioshin was dead due to a lack of ki signature. Furthermore, Goku was later surprised by the fact that Kaioshin was dead, which he shouldn't have been if Kaioshin's ki could be sensed.
But here's the nail in the coffin. The instant that Kibito was revived he was able to detect the weak ki of Kaioshin, and he was at the exact spot where Piccolo and co. were at when they assumed that he had died. Why is only Kibito able to sense his ki?
So if you want to continue this argument, you'd have to be willingly arguing that Goku, Piccolo and everyone else are idiots for completely overlooking Kaioshin, despite the fact that they were incredibly upset by his "death".
You don't think any of them would have tried finding his ki? Kibito certainly did.
I'd say this is about as definitive as it gets.
