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@Papasmurf
Super Boo held a 2x advantage there, like you said. Vegeta didn't hold even that much of an advantage vs Semi Cell and was still confident in taking a transformed Cell. Is that arrogance? Well, it'd be but not an absurd moronic one, as they at least have the basics that they are stronger than the previous enemy/form they faced.
Here it'd be different since had Boo seen Goku as > him, he'd know he wouldn't stand a chance, since here in this case, he wouldn't be excited to fight an enemy even beyond his reach. He was shown smart enough acknowledging Kid Boo was above him when the fight still hadn't even delved into an one sided one. So that would work better, since Goku was definitely above fat Boo, with that battle not representing a Goku who would theoretically go all out.
Boo's already seen Fusion cause Goten and Trunks' powers to skyrocket and was convinced a Fusion of two stronger people wouldn't match him when he's maybe double Gotenks' power at best. It's pure arrogance. The fact that Boo even had to fight Kid Boo to realize he can't win shows that he is arrogant in his power, when a different (and weaker) incarnation of the Evil version of Boo stomped him before.
Besides, Freeza had his pride hurt... It's different when it comes to villains who deny that in a frustrated way, in a way we can see they are making their best not to believe that situation can be true... Whereas fat Boo hadn't his pride hurt and was having fun even projecting a fight against a hypothetical stronger enemy. Super Boo quickly acknowledged Gohan was above him and acknowledged such possibility as far back as he sensed Gohan for the first time... And Bootenks still didn't want to take the risk with a Goku and Gohan fusion, hence why he said "why take the chance" and rushed to kill Goku. He didn't scream arrogance at anytime except when having his pride hurt by Vegetto and, again, showing those denials traits.
Super Boo still prefaced his caution with "undoubtedly futile" and thought a Goku-Vegeta fusion would be trash to him. It's arrogance of the highest order, especially when a chapter ago Old Kai said the only reason Fusion is useless against Boo is because he wouldn't wait for them to perform the dance, even before he pointed out the Potara boasts greater effects.
EML is garbage that isn't even produced in Japan. If SSJg3 was an even greater boost than SSJ2 is over MSSJ, that'd have been noted even if the form isn't efficient overall. And the overall narrative that sets SSJ2 on a pedestal over the Grade forms as the true surpassing of the SSJ and SPC being a power Cell never touched before (despite turning buff literally a minute before exploding) tells me G3 isn't that big of a boost.There is no way to quantify how big the gap was between suppressed Perfect Cell and Vegeta. It was just big enough that Cell performed a better tanking feat than what Vegeta could vs #19. The SEG hadn't any multipliers for SSJg3 as far as I know, and the only official multiplier from an official magazine made by Shueisha with any saying on its multiplier is EML who took it all the way up to 10x.
Freeza visibly took damage even from Gohan's assault on his initial 2nd form power. Suppression definitely makes durability plummet. By your logic, 50% Freeza shouldn't have been in pain because his true power is over double that of Goku's KKx20, yet he still screamed it hurt a lot. Plus, Goku was fired up to kill Freeza due to Vegeta's speech here, while in the other situations they were simply testing each other and Piccolo even said that shouldn't hurt Goku after he pretended to be down.Freeza was still very suppressed there. Suppression can sometimes affect how characters take attacks from opponents = them when warming up and in a state far from their full power. For example, Goku didn't even react in pain from warming up Cell's attacks despite Cell being = him there, yet the more powered up Cell's attacks, despite being still somewhat close to Goku, had obviously way bigger effects, not just an effect expected from the power gap that may have opened up when they both powered up. Plus, Goku also took all of Piccolo Junior's blasts while both were warming up and took no damage at all... Which couldn't be seen when both were fighting at their fullest and an off guard antennae laser from Piccolo would already make Goku pause in pain, or rather, any non-prepared-to-get attack.
I'm not accusing YOU of Goku fanboyism, I am just pointing out that in many cases where people argue for a big or even multi-fold gap between Goku and Fat Boo it's due to Goku fanboyism (and I see that a LOT). And I have a hunch it's due to Goku being portrayed as superior to Super Boo in later episodes of the anime which people grew up with, so even after seeing the proper power chain of the manga people find excuses to put Goku on a pedestal. My apologies if it sounded like I was putting you in the same level as them.Yes, he was holding back, though the point was that even when holding back, Goku can find a match to be fun, which was in response to you posting about Goku arguing matches aren't fun unless the opponents aren't well matched... Which shows that there are specific contexts in which Goku can find battles fun. Hell, Cell was the one saying how the fight was fun and he was holding back a lot. They can certainly find battle fun when holding back to a far from FP but still considerable, let's say considerable in perspective of holding back a shit ton, level...
And there's no Goku fanboyism here. I have pre RoSaT SSJ Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku and never made a point to have Goku stronger or anything. Heck, as long as people have Goku way behind Gotenks it wouldn't even be fanboyism because in the end, even if ppl have him as much as 20% of SSJ3 Gotenks' power (not my case) he'd be getting pummeled heavily all the same.
Plus, like I said, it's not like Goku knew fat Boo lost more than half of his power when releasing Grey Boo, as Vegeta explained it to him in a rather general summed up way without going into specifics while they were inside Super Boo... And yet he noticed no difference in how fat Boo should be performing vs kid, making note of how he isn't performing even at half of what he should be able to... Something that would be rather glarring not to make any note of.
I've no Goku agenda here.