Cell Games

[kriss-]

Cell Junior
~Full Power 17,500,000,000

Vegeta
~Mssj 16,000,000,000

Trunks
~Mssj 16,000,000,000

Piccolo
~Full Power 15,000,000,000

 

[ahill1]

Cell Junior
~Full Power 17,500,000,000

Vegeta
~Mssj 16,000,000,000

Trunks
~Mssj 16,000,000,000

Piccolo
~Full Power 15,000,000,000

The gap between Vegeta/Trunks and Piccolo should be bigger than the between Vegeta/Trunks and Cell Jr. Vegeta and Trunks were grouped with the Cell Jr while Piccolo wasn't.

 

[kriss-]

Cell Junior
~Full Power 17,500,000,000

Vegeta
~Mssj 16,000,000,000

Trunks
~Mssj 16,000,000,000

Piccolo
~Full Power 15,000,000,000

The gap between Vegeta/Trunks and Piccolo should be bigger than the between Vegeta/Trunks and Cell Jr. Vegeta and Trunks were grouped with the Cell Jr while Piccolo wasn't.

I disagree.

Perfect Cell stated Vegeta & Trunks weren't the only ones who were holding their own. Any large gap would mean Piccolo wouldn't be able to do so.

 

[ahill1]

Cell Junior
~Full Power 17,500,000,000

Vegeta
~Mssj 16,000,000,000

Trunks
~Mssj 16,000,000,000

Piccolo
~Full Power 15,000,000,000

The gap between Vegeta/Trunks and Piccolo should be bigger than the between Vegeta/Trunks and Cell Jr. Vegeta and Trunks were grouped with the Cell Jr while Piccolo wasn't.

I disagree.

Perfect Cell stated Vegeta & Trunks weren't the only ones who were holding their own. Any large gap would mean Piccolo wouldn't be able to do so.

???? Perfect Cell said nothing about it; he only says that Vegeta and Trunks are barely fighting evenly; he never said that Piccolo was able to hold their own. Cell Jr >= Vegeta SSJ >= Trunks SSJ > Piccolo.

 

[Pakl]

Piccolo is much weaker tgan Trunks as implied by Cell

 

[kriss-]

The gap between Vegeta/Trunks and Piccolo should be bigger than the between Vegeta/Trunks and Cell Jr. Vegeta and Trunks were grouped with the Cell Jr while Piccolo wasn't.

I disagree.

Perfect Cell stated Vegeta & Trunks weren't the only ones who were holding their own. Any large gap would mean Piccolo wouldn't be able to do so.

???? Perfect Cell said nothing about it; he only says that Vegeta and Trunks are barely fighting evenly; he never said that Piccolo was able to hold their own. Cell Jr >= Vegeta SSJ >= Trunks SSJ > Piccolo.

Read the Herms strength checker.

 

[SSJ2]

I disagree.

Perfect Cell stated Vegeta & Trunks weren't the only ones who were holding their own. Any large gap would mean Piccolo wouldn't be able to do so.

???? Perfect Cell said nothing about it; he only says that Vegeta and Trunks are barely fighting evenly; he never said that Piccolo was able to hold their own. Cell Jr >= Vegeta SSJ >= Trunks SSJ > Piccolo.

Read the Herms strength checker.

The quote leaves it open to interpretation, in no way does it say that Piccolo was holding his own.

 

[Pakl]

Piccolo is weaker than 50% MSSjin Goku

 

[SSJ2]

Yes, but not by a whole lot.

 

[kriss-]

???? Perfect Cell said nothing about it; he only says that Vegeta and Trunks are barely fighting evenly; he never said that Piccolo was able to hold their own. Cell Jr >= Vegeta SSJ >= Trunks SSJ > Piccolo.

Read the Herms strength checker.

The quote leaves it open to interpretation, in no way does it say that Piccolo was holding his own.

It is not open to interpretation unless you believe Herms was quoting Tienshinhan or Yamcha.

I love how people use this 'open to interpretation' argument when it clearly isn't relevant.

I'll go out of my way to post it, sigh...

Chapter: 407 (DBZ 213), P5.3
Context: as the Cell Juniors beat everyone up
Cell (to Gohan: "If you don't show your true worth soon, things will go past the point of no return. Look closely. Vegeta or Trunks are barely fighting evenly... Even Son Goku is in trouble, having lost his stamina..."
Note: Cell says that "Vegeta ya Trunks" are fighting evenly; ya is a non-exhaustive word for 'and', meaning the things listed aren't necessarily the only things there are to list. In other words, Cell's line doesn't necessarily mean that nobody but Trunks or Vegeta are fighting evenly, just that they're hte first examples to come to mind.

There you have it. Irrefutable proof that isn't open to interpretation.

Piccolo is barely holding his own like Trunks & Vegeta.

 

[Lightsworn]

Read the Herms strength checker.

The quote leaves it open to interpretation, in no way does it say that Piccolo was holding his own.

It is not open to interpretation unless you believe Herms was quoting Tienshinhan or Yamcha.

I love how people use this 'open to interpretation' argument when it clearly isn't relevant.

I'll go out of my way to post it, sigh...

Chapter: 407 (DBZ 213), P5.3
Context: as the Cell Juniors beat everyone up
Cell (to Gohan: "If you don't show your true worth soon, things will go past the point of no return. Look closely. Vegeta or Trunks are barely fighting evenly... Even Son Goku is in trouble, having lost his stamina..."
Note: Cell says that "Vegeta ya Trunks" are fighting evenly; ya is a non-exhaustive word for 'and', meaning the things listed aren't necessarily the only things there are to list. In other words, Cell's line doesn't necessarily mean that nobody but Trunks or Vegeta are fighting evenly, just that they're hte first examples to come to mind.

There you have it. Irrefutable proof that isn't open to interpretation.

Piccolo is barely holding his own like Trunks & Vegeta.

Seems you're not respectful to the fact some one else may see it differently. Not once is it mentioned that Piccolo fought evenly like Vegeta and Trunks did. He says it doesn't necessarily mean they're the only ones fighting evenly. He never objectively states some one else was also capable of fighting evenly. There is a difference between saying "Trunks and Vegeta aren't the only ones fighting evenly" and "Trunks and Vegeta may not be the only ones fighting evenly."

 

[Pakl]

Piccolo is not even included

Cell mentions Goku lol

 

[kriss-]

Piccolo is not even included

Cell mentions Goku lol

Cell mentioned Vegeta, Trunks & Goku before implying that there was someone else holding their own.

The leftover fighters to pick from are Krillen, Tienshinhan, Yamcha & Piccolo.

Whose the strongest among the four?

 

[ahill1]

I disagree.

Perfect Cell stated Vegeta & Trunks weren't the only ones who were holding their own. Any large gap would mean Piccolo wouldn't be able to do so.

???? Perfect Cell said nothing about it; he only says that Vegeta and Trunks are barely fighting evenly; he never said that Piccolo was able to hold their own. Cell Jr >= Vegeta SSJ >= Trunks SSJ > Piccolo.

Read the Herms strength checker.

Yes, like L said at any time is said that Piccolo is able to fight evenly with the Cell Jr. Just Vegeta and Trunks are mentioned. Also when Goku says that there is another person who will fight against Cell this latter only considers the possibility to be Vegeta and Trunks. Vegeta and Trunks are without doubt stronger than Piccolo during Cell Games, how much is unknown.

 

[Pyro]

???? Perfect Cell said nothing about it; he only says that Vegeta and Trunks are barely fighting evenly; he never said that Piccolo was able to hold their own. Cell Jr >= Vegeta SSJ >= Trunks SSJ > Piccolo.

Read the Herms strength checker.

Yes, like L said at any time is said that Piccolo is able to fight evenly with the Cell Jr. Just Vegeta and Trunks are mentioned. Also when Goku says that there is another person who will fight against Cell this latter only considers the possibility to be Vegeta and Trunks. Vegeta and Trunks are without doubt stronger than Piccolo during Cell Games, how much is unknown.

To be fair, that could be because Piccolo is suppressed at the time, or simply because Cell didn't even think to consider Piccolo would also gain monstrous strength like Vegeta and Trunks had.

 

[kriss-]

Nah.

I see no reason to think of Piccolo as fodder.

a) The title shows Piccolo standing alongside Trunks & Vegeta. Everyone else is down.
b) A statement implies Piccolo is holding his own.

Only fan speculation tries to discredit Piccolo and weaken him for no reason. That, I will not adhere to.

 

[Pyro]

Is it fan speculation? Or is it something more?

 

[ahill1]

Read the Herms strength checker.

Yes, like L said at any time is said that Piccolo is able to fight evenly with the Cell Jr. Just Vegeta and Trunks are mentioned. Also when Goku says that there is another person who will fight against Cell this latter only considers the possibility to be Vegeta and Trunks. Vegeta and Trunks are without doubt stronger than Piccolo during Cell Games, how much is unknown.

To be fair, that could be because Piccolo is suppressed at the time, or simply because Cell didn't even think to consider Piccolo would also gain monstrous strength like Vegeta and Trunks had.

But at no time Cell said: "Oh Piccolo really surprised me." It seems clear to me the author's intention of putting Piccolo weaker than Vegeta and Trunks.

 

[kriss-]

It's just fan speculation.

 

[kriss-]

Yes, like L said at any time is said that Piccolo is able to fight evenly with the Cell Jr. Just Vegeta and Trunks are mentioned. Also when Goku says that there is another person who will fight against Cell this latter only considers the possibility to be Vegeta and Trunks. Vegeta and Trunks are without doubt stronger than Piccolo during Cell Games, how much is unknown.

To be fair, that could be because Piccolo is suppressed at the time, or simply because Cell didn't even think to consider Piccolo would also gain monstrous strength like Vegeta and Trunks had.

But at no time Cell said: "Oh Piccolo really surprised me." It seems clear to me the author's intention of putting Piccolo weaker than Vegeta and Trunks.

For example, this has no credible evidence to back it at all. It's just some guy talking out of his ass.