Cell vs Light Grenade

[p123]

What exactly happened? Cell is walking nonchalantly towards the massive blast, smoke goes everywhere and Cell ends up underwater? Did Cell tank it? Was he pushed down? How does his body look while it's being pushed? Is he fighting the blast off at all? Does it just wreck him for a second but no official damage like Perfect Cell combo on Super Saiyan Gohan into the mountains? Not as devastating, but something like that?

This is one of the oddest scenarios in the series.

 

[SSJ2]

The fact that he is underwater implies that the blast knocked him flat on his ass, and he fell into the water after the island was destroyed. However I don't see how this is suggested at all given he took no true damage, and didn't even appear to take cosmetic damage. The way he ascended out of the water all dramatically makes me wonder if he went under water on purpose to toy with Piccolo.

 

[sei'taer]

He either fell into the water on purpose or was toying with piccolo.

Not sure why it's some huge conundrum.

 

[p123]

You know what I'm thinking? I think he was so lazy, that instead of floating in the air, he just lets himself fall down into the water. I bet he wasn't moved at all by the blast, just gravity. Damn... Perhaps he was trolling Piccolo that hard. That's messed up!

 

[SSJ2]

Yea I definitely think he was trying to crush Piccolo's spirit by doing that.

 

[Six Trails]

You know what I'm thinking? I think he was so lazy, that instead of floating in the air, he just lets himself fall down into the water. I bet he wasn't moved at all by the blast, just gravity. Damn... Perhaps he was trolling Piccolo that hard. That's messed up!

This is the explanation I go with as well.

 

[p123]

Damn. So that tank is indeed as massive as I thought initially. Jesus Christ. I couldn't reason why he was under water at first, but yea, it makes sense he's just trolling. Nothing on his body suggests he was moved, forced or hurt at all.

Fucking shit man. He's up there with the all time tanks. NO ONE GIVES THIS TANK PROPER CREDIT!

This is a 3x difference between Piccolo and Cell at absolute minimum. No one gets this right!

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

And to think some people have a 1.33x gap between Cell and Piccolo...

 

[p123]

Yea, there's absolutely no freaking way. Everyone wants this gap tight for some reason. Cell completely tanks a Light Grenade, which is definitely Piccolo's most powerful attack, it has to be somewhat comparable to a Kamehameha at this level, plus he's freaking Kamiccolo at this stage, his attack should be stupidly strong here.

Sure, you can suggest he's a bit weakened or fatigued, but that still doesn't come close to us giving this any normal kind of gap. This is a tremendous gap, perhaps one of the largest we see in one on one combat in the whole saga. Damn.

Cell >> Light Grenade >> Piccolo

Just think

(Cell > Light Grenade) > (Raditz > Kamehameha)

That's a huge gap alone. Also, damn, if you follow the scouter numbers, there's no reason for Light Grenade to be weaker than Kamehameha's 2.22x boost.

Cell 1,500
Light Grenade 900
Piccolo 300

That's a legit possibility. And it's scary.

 

[Victorious]

Yes that's what I had 5x but I'm considered a "crazy bloater".

 

[p123]

Haha, seriously. You've been right all along. How does it feel to be vindicated after all of these years? I for one don't think amplified blasts are as powerful as the numbers intended them to be, but if you guys like scouter numbers (FOOLS!) then you are stuck with it.

I have it like this...

Kamehameha 1.33x
Super Kamehameha 1.5x
Galick Gun 1.77
Kamehameha/Light Grenade/Big Bang Attack 2x
Final Flash 2.5

And that's just a thing of beauty!

 

[Victorious]

Well I go by scouter numbers but I have Goku's KHH getting nerfed in Kaioken. But even a KHH at 32,000 should kill 18,000 Vegeta.

Still Cell arc KHH >>> 2.22x. Its at least 3.5x

I don't think it should be that much below Final Flash.

 

[Six Trails]

But even a KHH at 32,000 should kill 18,000 Vegeta.

Maybe Vegeta's Galic Gun lessened the impact of Goku's KHH? I think that's a reasonable explanation.

 

[p123]

That does seem to be the case with amplified blast battles. Only way to explain the opponent not getting wrecked.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Maybe Vegeta's Galic Gun lessened the impact of Goku's KHH? I think that's a reasonable explanation.

If anything his own blast reflecting back to him actually makes things worse for him.

 

[Victorious]

P123, ignoring Cell's tank feat against the ki blast what do u think a minimum would be? Kamiccolo and #17 @ 60 to Cell's 100? Like say SSJ2 Kid Gohan vs FP PC type of gap?

 

[p123]

I don't think so. Cell's punches seem more brutal. He does some truly devastating work with his physical work. It's more than you'd expect. Every punch he lands is so powerful and with no effort.

(Cell > Piccolo) > (Gohan > Cell)

Gohan actually uses effort when he's whooping Cell's ass. Cell's punches aren't quite as devastating as Gohan's are, but it's not terribly far off, yet Cell uses no effort, while Gohan uses quite a bit.

Even Goku vs Ginyu Force shows Goku using effort in his strikes. We are getting to a Semi Cell vs 16, Perfect Cell vs Super Vegeta kind of gap here where toying means ultimate beatdown. This is a level beyond Goku vs Ginyu Force.

 

[Victorious]

He does basically one shot Kamiccolo and breaks his neck. With #17 he obviously has to be gentler in order not to totally destroy him and ruin his chances at becoming Perfect. He does look very nonchalant beating down #17.

 

[ahill1]

He does basically one shot Kamiccolo and breaks his neck. With #17 he obviously has to be gentler in order not to totally destroy him and ruin his chances at becoming Perfect. He does look very nonchalant beating down #17.

Piccolo was already rather weakened though when Cell one-shotted him by breaking his neck. Maybe he couldn't one-shot #17 due to this latter not being as physically weakened as Piccolo.

Besides, what does having infinite energy mean? That you also can't lose power by physical attacks? Perhaps. Even though #17 seemed to be screaming in pain, it doesn't seem he could lose power from that, does it?

 

[p123]

Yea. We are a bit confused because him avoiding 17's attacks, you'd think he'd just tank them if he was that strong. But yea, perhaps, just maybe, no one has cause more damage with one punch, than Cell did on Piccolo. I think maybe Reecome v Gohan might be the only other case. And that's a 3x gap as well. Cell is nonchalantly wrecking Piccolo in a way he's never been handled in the entire manga. Crazy stuff huh?

@ahill

Cell clearly doesn't want to take out 17 or Piccolo with one shot. He could if he wanted to, but he's playing with his food. You don't eat a Light Grenade to the face and have no damage and not be able to one shot Piccolo. That wouldn't make sense.